Thank you for killing m+ for me

Would make it seem more in character as a ret paladin.

Its your fault. its always your fault according to the forums.

Dang +4’s being hard. I kinda remember but it feels so long ago.

Dude, if you and your guildies cannot complete a 4, you certainly don’t need to be running M+ for raid gear. You won’t be able to clear the raid either.

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Good thing im not longer forced to gear up through m+s, now isnt it?

It really is. I am happy for you in that sense, sad that you hate this section of the game.

May I suggest delves?

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Already up to t9, with the guild i was running m+ with.

Delves are a breath of fresh air.

Agreed completely.

Favourite parts: no timer, easy to scale, freedom to play diff specs thanks to Bran…love it!

4 is supposed to be 14 though?

It shouldn’t be.

Fun was detected doing lower keys.

People will participate less in m+ now.

Glad I’m retired from M+.

No, it’s Blizzard attempting to do the community a favor. Less score upkeep time. And more meaningful progress.

It’s nothing to do with Fun Detected.

You require a guild to do t9 delves?

I actually heard it was part of some effort to “trim the fat”, remove the worthless keys that nobody ran.
But then I look at the game, I see Delves offer Champ / Hero and Hero vault slots, I see people saying H Raid is cake, and I can’t help but wonder why they would trim any fat if all they were going to do was slather on some meat glue and slap on some more.
It’s kind of funny, actually.

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Yea its much harder now. The 2 biggest changes they could make to help groups be more successful is

  1. Either increase Tank survivability, or make healers more effective on Tanks.
  2. Get rid of this interupt garbage that allows them to recast after anything other than an interupt.

I have 4 AoE interupts on DH Tank that i would handle all interupts in M+ in past seasons. Now that i need all 3 DPS and healer to interupt swap with its rough. Im watching 3 people interupt at once and not having 1 for the next interupt. Or just no one interupts. PUGs never having comms make this so much more noticeable. Im stuck on 9-10s with the DH right now with 625 ilvl.

Also delves gearing people the way they do has some people thinking they can just hop straight into a 6-7, having only completed the heroic version. This was a rough first season.

My advice would be keep M+ easier at the start of the season, and then when people start busting 15s buff and new affix. 20s buff and new affix. But capping average players even if they dump more time into the game than better players is wrong.
RWF is over the pros are pushing 20s now. Let the peons have some max ilvl gear to have fun with before the next content drop and make 10s easier with the 2 aforementioned changes.

Stops are not interrupts.

That sounds boring to me.

No.

I enjoy the brief period where max ilvl from m+ is an actual challenge.