If your major complaint is towards people who want to make themselves better players, then you should reevaluate your argument because it is extremely flawed.
No, thereâs nothing flawed with it at all. Iâve seen scrubs wipe out over the years with âleetsauce meta buildsâ, and watched those same players get eaten alive by players with âlazy troll buildsâ. Even I pushed ICC with my resto druid rocking a super high Spirit Healing Touch build. I didnât use a single macro, addon, or keybind outside of the one-two-three. I did a lot of action bar clicking. We pushed plenty far. And again in Cata, when I rerolled Disc Priest. I refused to use the angel wings because I thought they were tacky and a waste of action bar. I used atonement before it was regarded meta. I was regarded a clutch player for my guild because of the formidable DPS I provided even as I clearly kept everyone alive.
So no, my argument isnât âextremely flawedâ just because you donât like it. Go ahead and dissect it piece by piece, since itâs extremely flawed.
Itâs not because I donât like it, itâs because your argument rests entirely on hating people who try to make themselves better players. Thatâs all you have for an argument. Thereâs nothing to dissect there. Itâs plain as day.
Yeah god forbid we play the game we pay for the way we want to.
Except I donât hate players that try to better themselves. I simply hate the players who act like theyâre gods when all theyâve done is click the highest dps setup, and then treat the rest of the playerbase like crap because they want to experiment.
Nobodyâs doing that, except people like you and Ralph. You lot are ones hating an entire group of people just because you donât like how they play.
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And that is exactly the thing they are thankfully trying to stop.
So the main argument I see over and over against the current design is that if the player chooses a particular covenant for a specific type of content that they will no longer be able to be competitive if they decide to do other types of content and what I keep asking is if there is hard data to corroborate this or is it just speculation? Also, what is the gap? If the complaint is that your covenant of choice is 100% optimal for your content of choice and 90% optimal for the other types of content and can still be completed, itâs going to be hard to convince most people to care about this.
Have you seen their pitiful attempts at balancing stuff in this expansion? Azerite traits, Essences, and Corruptions have a massive gap between âbestâ and âworstâ choices. Choosing all the âwrongâ options can leave you doing less than 50% of the damage as someone doing all the âbestâ ones.
So we look at BfA and then we look at SL and weâre very concerned about them balancing Covenant abilities, Soulbinds, and Conduits.
Correct. Iâm fully allowed to call out a player mindset that rewards players for treating each other like crap, that celebrates a zombie/sheep mindset and tears on anyone who does differently. Play meta if you want. Play to be the best you can be, meta or off meta, if you want. Just donât be a **** towards others about it. I donât know if thatâs who you are. So far youâve been respectful, so Iâd like to assume itâs not you. But IF that is you, well, I can call you out just as readily as you can boot that scrub.
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Nice strawman youâve got there. Itâd be a shame if anything happened to it.
Strawman? I donât recall forcing that upon you. I never said that was you or ANYONE else. Iâm not forcing that claim upon anyone. Itâs a blanket firing at anyone who DOES bear that mindset. So no, thatâs not a strawman. Nice try though. Would you like to make an ad hominem attack on me while weâre at it? Iâve got my armory wide open for attack. Say I have no business talking about this game because XYZ? Go ahead, I ainât shy.
Thatâs what makes it a strawman. Youâre attacking people who havenât actually said anything Youâve got this boogeyman in your head and youâre using that as your justification to attack anyone who dares look at the meta.
What are you even talking about? Drop your victim complex for one second and try to say something constructive instead of attacking people.
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Im playing SAO Alicization Lycoris right now during this off season. I love that I have so many options to customize my character and use all the toys and skills in the game. I think Blizzard limiting players in using these things will lead to less fun gameplay overall. Sao feels refreshing because I can live out that power fantasy. I think its a shame I wont be able to do that in Shadowlands and will essentially need four characters if I want to follow each covenants story. Further limiting player choice is not the meaningful choice I look for in games. I prefer choosing what I like to play and how I like to play and having access to all content on one character with no compromises. I do not think you can deny locking covenants will limit the story experience of the players. In regards to conduits its just more limitations that harm the player experience.
I think you might have cherry-picked what I was going on aboutâŚ
I am saying, yes, it is an RPG, but we should have similar performance with different load outs and play styles. Otherwise everyone will come back to where we are now⌠and when something isnât fun⌠it stops being played.
I can understand being concerned because blizzard doesnât have a great track record with this stuff but until we know more, all the: you WILL be declined from my group for picking the wrong covenant and similar type rhetoric isnât really helpful to anyone.
A straw man is when you force a stance, position, or opinion, onto someone, who may or may not have that opinion. And THEN you tear into said argument as a means of putting them down.
Iâm not saying you ever claimed to be fond of metas or what have you. I donât know if you do or donât. Iâm ok if you never say.
Iâm saying that the aforementioned attitude is that of an @$$wipe, and anyone who fits that, likely arenât as great as they make themselves out to be. I donât know if you fit that or not. I donât care. Fit it. Or not.
If you decide to wear the strawman that Iâm tearing into, thatâs all on you. Iâm still attacking an idea and not a defined person. F&@/ that strawman, and f&@/ anyone who genuinely fits in it.
I dont agree, if this is what is going live Im just not going to play anymore. Not that anyone cares (other than my friends) or im doing it to punish anyone. It just doesnt even sound fun. I have so much more I could be doing with my time than playing a game anyway.
Its helpful for Blizzard to try and understand it own playerbase and how they act. Players will reject players on their choices they always have, its just worse in todays version.
But there is also a portion of the playerbase who wont ever see this, cause they play with friends and guildies. The Pug world is horrible i just dont understand how people do it weekly.
Still this is going to make a grind trash for alts : /