Teldrassil Payback Announced!

[Fortuna-sentinels (Fortuna)]

We weren’t looking for Saurfang, basically Talanji was in talks with the Horde for support in Zuldazar and she was captured when she told her father she was out ‘exploring’ when instead she was going to meet with the Horde leadership in person. Sylvanas sends us out to rescue them, we found Saurfang there, but they were not our goal.

Huh. I guess I was misremembering. I thought Saurfang was the point and Talanji was just a happy accident.

I still stand by it being luck that Zul was there. Or if not luck, something far more sinister…

[Kemba-blackhand (Kemba)]

That was Zul being a sneaky prophet with his ‘visions’ a lot of that whole scenario can be explained through that happy little loop hole.

[Icewhisper-wyrmrest-accord]

You mind your tongue, Sir.

[Fortuna-sentinels (Fortuna)]

Zul’s prophecies are plenty sinister on their own, I should think. You don’t really think it’s a loa speaking to him, do you?

[Kemba-blackhand (Kemba)]

Probably related to the old ones at some level on the wiki his biggest visions were related to Deathwing and the Naga both of which are Old God servants.

Dunno, they haven’t gone into detail as far as I know and we killed him before learning.

[Tannaril-area-52 (Tannaril)]

Like I said it a win. To bad you can not see it.

There’s winning, “winning,” and “WINNING!”

Essentially, The Alliance has been getting the second one, where in theory it’s a win, but it somehow doesn’t either wind up being a win (it winds up costing as much as we win, which is really a pyrrhic victory…which really isn’t a win, but more of scorched earth kind of victory), or we get chased off immediately afterwards, tail between our legs.

The first, is what happened at undercity, where we got it rubbed in our faces that we were basically inept bumblers before the power of the lich queen and her magical green goo. If not for a couple of literal deus ex machine moments, we would have lost.

Then there’s Teldrassil. A literal “WINNING!” moment for their side, and one they keep building on with every dead Night Elf raised who doesn’t immediately pull an Ides of March on their dark ‘lady’ for the “favor” of being raised in her “service.”

The Alliance has been promised “fist pump” and the like…and instead, we get genocide whitewashed and no justice for one of our core races getting wiped off the map by the other faction.

And no, they can’t complain about undercity, because even if we had actually taken it back (instaed of the lich queen nuking two major cities), we wouldn’t have torched the place, salted the earth and made it an uninhabitable ruin. THAT, is the key difference between The Alliance and their side.

You seem to think that Teldrassil was a “fist pump” moment for the Horde players? It was about as much as one for us as it was for Saurfang. (Remember the look of horror on his face as everything he had wanted was turned to ash?)

[Fixher-darkspear (Fixher)]

people forget horde players united on forums that day. rare event when both side said it was wrong.

[Hezzlocks-khazgoroth (Hezzlocks)]

Like I said it a win. To bad you can not see it.

There’s winning, “winning,” and “WINNING!”

Essentially, The Alliance has been getting the second one, where in theory it’s a win, but it somehow doesn’t either wind up being a win (it winds up costing as much as we win, which is really a pyrrhic victory…which really isn’t a win, but more of scorched earth kind of victory), or we get chased off immediately afterwards, tail between our legs.

The first, is what happened at undercity, where we got it rubbed in our faces that we were basically inept bumblers before the power of the lich queen and her magical green goo. If not for a couple of literal deus ex machine moments, we would have lost.

Then there’s Teldrassil. A literal “WINNING!” moment for their side, and one they keep building on with every dead Night Elf raised who doesn’t immediately pull an Ides of March on their dark ‘lady’ for the “favor” of being raised in her “service.”

The Alliance has been promised “fist pump” and the like…and instead, we get genocide whitewashed and no justice for one of our core races getting wiped off the map by the other faction.

And no, they can’t complain about undercity, because even if we had actually taken it back (instaed of the lich queen nuking two major cities), we wouldn’t have torched the place, salted the earth and made it an uninhabitable ruin. THAT, is the key difference between The Alliance and their side.

You seem to think that Teldrassil was a “fist pump” moment for the Horde players? It was about as much as one for us as it was for Saurfang. (Remember the look of horror on his face as everything he had wanted was turned to ash?)

Teldrassil was the Alliance fist pump moment because they get to point and jeer at the evil horde scum and be safe in the knowledge that they get to be the morally superior good guys again and that the horde is about to get crushed and lose yet another war and probably a few more major lore characters too.

[Mariana-silvermoon]

You seem to think that Teldrassil was a “fist pump” moment for the Horde players? It was about as much as one for us as it was for Saurfang. (Remember the look of horror on his face as everything he had wanted was turned to ash?)

I’ve seen plenty of horde players and even the CM’s around these forums making “ashes” jokes toward Alliance players. Seems it was a fist pump moment for at least some of them. Enough of them even to now be implementing new quest lines for Horde players that don’t want to betray their Warchief.

Regardless, it was MEANT to be a Horde fist pump moment even if it flopped with part of that playerbase.

[Mariana-silvermoon]

Teldrassil was the Alliance fist pump moment

This is how a decade of bias warps the Horde players minds. So we are supposed to see one of our playable races getting genocided as a “fist pump” moment for the Alliance. I actually believe a lot of Horde players would believe that.

[Hezzlocks-khazgoroth (Hezzlocks)]

Teldrassil was the Alliance fist pump moment

This is how a decade of bias warps the Horde players minds. So we are supposed to see one of our playable races getting genocided as a “fist pump” moment for the Alliance. I actually believe a lot of Horde players would believe that.

It was a joke, mate. A joke with some truth in it but a joke nonetheless.

Just like how horde bias is a joke. Grass is always greener and all that. If there’s horde bias then why did I follow around alliance characters for an entire expansion, why are there next to no major lore figures in the horde, and why are my warchiefs dieing off more often than Sean Bean in everything he’s in?

[Mariana-silvermoon]

Just like how horde bias is a joke.

I’m pretty much to the point of treating people that deny Horde bias the same way I would flat earthers. Just roll my eyes at the crazy and move on.

why did I follow around alliance characters for an entire expansion

You had to interact with Alliance characters a few times in one expac? Oh the horror. Good thing Alliance have never had to do that…

why are there next to no major lore figures in the horde

Uh, what? ROFLMAO

why are my warchiefs dieing off

You had one Warchief die off for good and another that is pulling an Obi-wan “strike me down and I’ll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”. Your current one isn’t in any danger. Her waifu abilities are far too strong for the devs to kill her off. The writers would literally be heart broken and cry tears into their Sylvanas body pillows if someone even suggested such a thing.

[Hezzlocks-khazgoroth (Hezzlocks)]

Good lord, I’m not one to say “alliance crybaby” pretty much at all, but the alliance crybaby is strong in this one…

I’d tell you to list off all the important horde lore characters vs all the alliance lore characters as an exercise, bonus points if you compared their power levels just to see how many demigods alliance has too, or to name who the troll faction leader is, but i can already tell I’m wasting my breath on you.

And if you think the horde won’t be absolutely crushed by the end of this expansion and that Sylvanas won’t go the way of Garrosh, taking Nathanos with her, then you are a fool. It happens every single time ever since the horde actually WAS an evil faction way back in Warcraft 1.

[Thèón-emerald-dream (Thèón)]

Kinda have to agree with this.

[Nemiria-moon-guard (Nemiria)]

The problem is the writing of the Horde. They have, in all the cases I can recall, been written as the aggressors and initiators of conflict. It’s only been Horde characters committing horrible atrocities…

That’s not the players fault. That’s the writers.

Now we face a real issue where the current war chief has done several horrible, no question, EVIL things. Worse than any leader of or in the Horde before her. If there was ANY character fitting and deserving of a dirt nap six feet under is her but the devs won’t do that.

They won’t because not only do they have a hard on for her but they know… they KNOW… that the Horde fan base will accept, will tolerate, and will submit to atrocious, horrible, cartoon levels of villainy and n*zi levels of acts if it meant the overlord didn’t die like all the others.

The Horde has this treatment because the players allowed it. When Alliance members get mad, they quit. They don’t do content. They unsub. They stop playing and they take their money with them. I see this in game RIGHT now. Hell I’ve done it and will do it.

We, the Alliance players, can’t fight for a better Horde. Those cries will only be ignored and greeted with blatant hostility from the fans. Horde players have to fight for Horde story. Blizzard will not listen to us but they will listen to you.

[Tannaril-area-52 (Tannaril)]

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You seem to think that Teldrassil was a “fist pump” moment for the Horde players? It was about as much as one for us as it was for Saurfang. (Remember the look of horror on his face as everything he had wanted was turned to ash?)

I’ve seen plenty of horde players and even the CM’s around these forums making “ashes” jokes toward Alliance players. Seems it was a fist pump moment for at least some of them. Enough of them even to now be implementing new quest lines for Horde players that don’t want to betray their Warchief.

Regardless, it was MEANT to be a Horde fist pump moment even if it flopped with part of that playerbase.

More Alliance telling me how much fun I must be having being the evil bad guys for them…

So you saw a few posters. The forums will full of complain (to the point of Alliance making jokes about “salty Horde players”. Horde youtube channels weren’t happy (look at Panzer’s reaction video and tell me that was a fist pump moment). I play Horde, I know people are missing from my guild because they have decided to sit the expansion out. Heck, I even unsubscribed until a friend talked me back in.

Yes, Blizzard might have thought it was a fist pump moment, except that they clearly expected many players to identify with Saurfang’s reaction. And, in any case, if Blizzard’s expecting it to be a fist pump moment is enough, then Blizzard’s expectations that the wins they have given you balance things should also be enough.

[Fixher-darkspear (Fixher)]

I’ve seen plenty of horde players and even the CM’s around these forums making “ashes” jokes toward Alliance players.

I have been paying attention. I see you do this a lot. You purposely look for anyone person not agree with you. Look for anyone thing that has happen to the game over years. then use that one incidents as proof. Guess what you need more than a single or a few things to make it true. You need to have something with a majority. That one thing you never have. just one thing here and one thing there is called justification with out cause. Defense lawyers do this to try and get clients off. It a very powerful tool. I see you and three other pro alliance poster that know how to use it very well.

Look up this. it fairly standard debating and court winning strategy. Seeing it used here by some I find very interesting. Show someone got some skill and or good educational back ground.

[Lostnachos-misha (Lostnachos)]

Ashes ashes, your tree fall down.

[Valarien-area-52 (Valarien)]

Could you imagine the crying if we were raiding Silvermoon/Quel’thalas instead? Leaving it a smouldering crater that you couldn’t even visit anymore like Teldrassil. In return you can kill Jaina’s mom. lol

The tantrums would be glorious.

[Dæmonjesùs-saurfang (Dæmonjesùs)]

Its no wonder that people are leaving the alliance, its obvious to me now, few of you have the loyalty to stay through bad times… I wonder how many marriages fail for ally players compared to Horde?