I think a lot of people just wanted classic so they could get tbc.
The long waiting game and patience tells me tbc might be entirely worth it.
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Imagine not wanting tbc lawl
I donāt even think we want classic.
What we really want is to be able to play a video game with 39 friends while drinking beer.
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I started in BC so I never fully experienced Vanilla, but after playing it for a while now I overall share this sentiment. When you look at BC you can see that Blizzard had learned after Vanilla: A rework for PvP and PvE in several cases (a new token mechanic, an additional PvP-system in the form of arenas), several reworks for classes (tank paladin and druid finally became nearly fully viable) and the addition of some nowadays iconic abilities (Shadowstep for rogues for example).
After now playing Classic for a whileā¦I can firmly say that I totally belong into this group. I want to play my shockadin paladin and jump into some arenas, I want to go to Karazhan and have fun with the chess event, and maybe play a blood elf rogue alt. But, I really want to look like this again:
I was able to find an old screenshot and was able to re-create my old character from BC. I really want to go back there.
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Iām gunna disagree with your WotLK point. Wrath was were they started introducing all the aspects of the game that moved it away from the vanilla/BC model. Multiple raid difficulties, ābring the player, not the classā, AoE grindfest dungeons, overuse of vehicle mechanics, the dungeon finder, the list goes on. WotLK did bring in a lot of new players with content being as accessible as it was, but also drove a lot of players away. Most of my friends quit because WotLK was ācasual garbageā. Outside of Ulduar and ICC/LK storyline WotLK was pretty forgettable. Contrary to popular belief WotLK was neither the sub peak(Cata) or the fastest growing era(vanilla).
Imo thereās 3 distinct eras of wow. Vanilla/BC are early wow, Cata/MoP are middle wow, Legion/BFA are late WoW. WotLK serves as the transition expac. It retained some elements of early wow design but also introduced alot of the new mechanics and systems the defined Cata/MoP. And WoD is the transition expac between mid and late WoW. If this cycle holds true Shadowlands will be a transition expac.
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Iām keen to, boz. I never pushed past Kara as a casual teen. Medivh and Karazhan is also a soft spot for me in the lore.
Blood Elves 
Tbc less grindy? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Tbc is vanilla on steroids in a box 1/10th the size with people moving around 3x as fast through the air
Tbc has a very solid group of people rose tinting like vanilla. It made some improvements multiple tier sets per class for example (class tokens literally starts with AQ tokens=vanilla). However I dont think the open world is as good. Overall balance is a wash as well
TBC and WRATH will be very successful too.
Are you kidding? Classic is doing really good, TBC is a win / win for blizzard.
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I think the oppositeā¦TBC will be even bigger than Classic. The viability of a lot of specs is greatly enhanced. You get some cool new spells. Blood Elves and Draenei. Flying is FUN. Great raids, good dungeons. A fair amount of people like Arena. Thereās a lot of polish that wasnāt in Classicā¦and yet it still retained the community aspect (no cross-realm dungeon finder, no crz). Homogenization hadnāt run rampant yet, so class identity is still great.
Personally, Iām in the camp waiting for TBC. I just ask Blizzard to provide at least a couple of brand new servers where everyone starts from scratch.
Iām excited for the release of flying mounts so I can /lol at all of the Horde elitist who think theyāre leet gamers by jumping on a single alliance player with 5 of their Horde buddies.
The end of WPVP is a gift from Blizzard.
I want tbc yesterday but I want to clear naxx at least once. I would be cool with skipping aq40 progression to do naxx. Bugs donāt get me excited to raid.
If they do actual patch progression Iām in for TBC.
If theyāre releasing nerfed Magtheridon with no cube groups, baron geddon Solarian and nerfed Kaelāthas whatās the point?
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I agree with you.
People point to WotLK as a success because it was a high point for subscriptions. But that conclusion isnāt reading the statistics correctly.
In BC subs saw continuous growth. That means more people were joining than quitting.
In Wrath, subs hit a plateau and were maintained at that number. That means for the majority of Wrath, people were quitting at the same rate new players were picking it up.
And I could not agree more about the quality of Wrath content. Wrath was the most hit or miss expansion; either you got turds like ToGC and Naxx or you got ICC/Ulduar levels of success.
Naxx was the most bored Iāve ever been with the game, including when I quit in WoD/MoP. ToGC was an even worse raid timegated to oblivion but Ulduar was so good I didnāt care, just worked on Ulduar hardmodes.
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=( He was actually really hard even after bug fixes before all the big nerfs.
do you see any Warcraft Movie Part 2?
Thereās no BC until thereās a Part 2 movie to act as publicity for a few months before the announcement.
The funny thing is wasnāt the high point. The actual sub peak came in early Cata. Q1 2011 I believe.
Youāre 100% right about wrath being the plateau. Not only did the quality of the game begin to suffer, but for a huge chunk of players Warcraft 3 is Warcraft. Getting to experience the end of the Arthas was the peak of WoW from a lore prospective for a lot of players, which a big reason why I think people overlook how mediocre it was as an expac.
That and people tend to be nostalgic about when they started wow. I saw a stat in back in MoP I think, that less than 20% of the active playerbase at the time started their accounts pre-WotLK. So the between WotLK and cata miliions of OGās were driven from the game, leaving mostly wrath babies.
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What? Do you need English lessons?