character copy when the option opens…
Yea i am with you. The grind 1-58 is a little easier with tbc content - but its still days lost and makes the grind for gear in classic completely worthless. I get that the outlands gear will replace most raid gear pretty quick - but at least let me have that initial push with the gear.
The argument “Well it does say open character xfers eventually” - i played classic in hopes that blizzard would give us TBC and/or Wrath. I played a version i dont care for much for the dream i could play the version/s i want. I dont see why those like me have to wait for a while to start playing on the servers when they are launched. Those that didnt put the time in on classic will have to level ofc. Those that didn’t i dont think should be punished.
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We get ONE.
What about others? Lucky me, I get to PAY for them. That is wasted time.
i put as payment options for more than 1 becuase lets face it when you have to do millions of character copies there will be poeple behind that doing all the grunt work to fulfill your request.
When you go to Mcdonalds do you pay for your cheeseburger or do you say give me a cheeseburger free because i paid for one yesterday.
lets see what blizzard does. All i know is there needs to be a reconcile so that TBC wont be a fiasco.
For what it is worth, I’ve raised that concern from the very first mention of the word copy. And of course they would. You’d need to be a fool not too.
I don’t want a copy at will option. Either copy the entire server over at the same time (no that won’t double your gold. It will be in two separate servers), or do transfers.
I for one have no interest in playing Classic once BC is released. So leaving behind a classic only server is no skin off my back.
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uhhh
i think ill pass on releveling my toon
Except that I’m starting out with no gold. I have 5k ready for epic flying. But now I have to start over fresh because some people are bad at the economic side of wow?
No thanks.
That makes no sense. I leveled 4 toons to 60. In a sense I paid for 4 hamburgers. But you only want me to have one so that way we are on a level mm playing field.
Again. No thanks.
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how about blizzard lets you copy over for free your characters provided you got them to lvl 60? that can be also a compromise. since you put in the time to lvl them and all.
which is a fair idea so i will edit my top post to incorporate that.
If BC was not implemented it was initially, the most fair way would be to have an opt-in classic character realm. Anything not transferred over would go to BC classic. Having a bunch of stipulations causes a lot of trouble and I doubt Blizzard is willing to put any more effort into a product they already designed.
im glad your saved 5k gold on Classic Vanilla. i applaud you. But TBC Classic will be its own game just like Classic Vanilla is its own game.
Fresh servers. Fresh economy. Different game.
Bring all copies of your characters to keep a semblance character affiliation…
But keep classic vanilla gold Away from TBC Classic.
lets see what blizzard does…
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You’re not going to be allowed to transfer your gold, lmfao.
Oh? Just like how BC was it’s own game different from The original Wow? Oh. Wait. It wasn’t.
I started BC with all my hard earned items and gold.
So #nochanges?
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I get the feeling that people that want to start fresh dont have characters they are attached to or they want to reroll. Thus they want other people to do it to make sure they are on evening ground.
Agreed
Agreed up to this point. To me, this would be much like the original pre-release patch, a period of time on TBC Classic realms where there isn’t new dungeon or raid content, but the new races, classes, quests, etc. are put in place.
I understand why this might be desired, but this is where I disagree. Maybe because I’m not a “F R E S H” server junkie, but 2007-2009 TBC did not force everyone to start over. It was a continuation of World of Warcraft. Some had multiple 60s, some had one 60, some were close, some had a ways to go, and some were yet to even start playing.
The most authentic experience has all that. And, yes, it leaves Mana Addicts and Space Goats working to ‘catch up’. Exactly as they did in 2007. (We’re already going to have too many Mana Addicts. History has demonstrated that very clearly.) Everyone can have 60s, and people will still reroll for the racial or the “pretty” look or both. Let rerolling slow down that increase to the Horde population.
Agreed. Thing is … they do announce these things. Poorly. Last minute, or vaguely, but they do announce. Presumably you mean a clear announcement at or before the opening of the TBC realms, versus one week before.
I know you added later a yes to mounts, but remember that they are bag items. If we say no gold, but yes mounts, mounts can be sold. (It would be a massive gold loss to buy an epic mount for 800g and sell it for 80g, yes, but if someone has close to the gold cap, it would be a way of carrying over 10%.)
Would the bank maintain all purchased tabs? Would we keep the bags we have? What about keys (in the key ring) or keys/items to access content that aren’t put in the key ring? What about quest items, since not everyone is a
Also, you say character gear only, but at level 60 it isn’t uncommon for some classes to have 2+ gear sets, meaning the second (and more) sit in the bank or bags. How are they supposed to differentiate a druid’s healing set, tanking set, melee set, from a bunch of high value gear items? What about people’s collection of trinkets for various things? Or toys like the Barov Peasant Collar or the Piccolo?
Basically, there are too many exemptions that would be needed and too many people who would find the loopholes to get around the exemptions. Layering exploits happen because there will always be players who want shortcuts.
Same issues, and an annoyance for an altoholic like me to have to wait to move characters.
Personally, I’m not as concerned about the gold whales messing up the economy. I really don’t believe any method will prevent that certain dedicated subset of players from finding optimal ways to benefit themselves that upend the economy. (Honestly, any idea there was ever some great-for-everyone economy is rose-tinted glasses at their rosiest.)
My thought:
At a designated time (server maintenance) make a snapshot of all WOW Classic characters. Include gear, bags, bag items, gold, everything they have in that moment. (Mail and open auctions would not be included, because of how Blizzard stores data.)
Create enough TBC Classic realms for the predicted population. Open those realms similar to the name reservation, where actual logging in can’t be done, and allow maybe a week for active players to pick which characters they want to play in TBC Classic, possibly which realms if there isn’t 1-for-1 matching. Or even if there is 1-for-1, let players choose what realm they’re going to, with the matching realm the default.
(Guilds are the big question there. Choosing a 1-for-1 matched realm should ideally copy the guild when the guild leader gets there, but if they want to go to another realm it would be like a transfer where that gets lost - which is a small pain.)
Once the snapshot is used, it is deleted. Allow players to delete their character snapshot if they don’t want to ever play TBC, which will help reduce the data storage. (Maybe set a max storage time based on level, as well, to help clear out ones where players quit and don’t come back - 1-10 in a month, 11-20 in three months, etc.)
At the end of that week, open those TBC Classic realms for new character creation as well. (Still no one playing - this is just preparation/name reservation.)
At the end of the two weeks, open the TBC Classic realms fully, phased with the Dark Portal not yet open, level 60 still the cap, but the new race areas available, the new profession, the new talent trees, any new skills, etc. Give that a time similar to the 2.0 patch pre-TBC until release, then open the Dark Portal and we’re off.
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So. In this instance, we don’t play for 2 to 3 weeks?
Once you snapshot my character, any and all progression from that point on is moot, and will be lost once I’m finally able to log into the new servers. So the time between snapshot and new server opening will be a why bother.
And they would have to announce this snapshot months in advance, allowing for players to be ready for it.
Sounds like a lot of room for error.
And what happens when two players from separate Classic servers with the same name both migrate to the same BC realm? Who gets to keep it? Same with Guild names.
If you have 5k now, there would be no problem in making that amount again in TBC. You’re just making up reasons to be upset.
You still have those 4 hamburgers. They are not going anywhere.
You obviously aren’t playing Classic for Classic.
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Take ten and rub one out bro.
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It remains progress and things you gain in WOW Classic. No matter at what moment that transfer / copy is made, you will lose future progress that happens in WOW Classic on the same character in TBC Classic. It could be on the day TBC Classic realms open, and if you win the ZG tiger in WOW Classic a day later, you’ll never have it in TBC Classic without winning it in TBC Classic.
EDIT: Technically I suppose this would be true for someone who is abandoning WOW Classic. They could decide whether the only reason to play WOW Classic for those 3 weeks would be to have fun, or if they only play for things they can gain.
Actually, the opposite. Ideally it is as close to a “day-to-day” where the character was at a particular moment - not where their character is with only stuff they’ve stockpiled to carry to TBC. Again, what you continue to do in WOW Classic remains progress made there.
I must have deleted a chunk of my paragraph on that because it was getting too long already. It wound up only talking about guilds.
Character names: If there is a 1-for-1 realm matchup, I could see giving name priority to those from the matching realm as long as they did their character move in the first week. After that, names are first come, first serve as they’ve always been. (It would be weird to get renamed, but changing across realms has always had that danger. First week means no one is creating new characters to camp name.)
Guild names: As long as it is 1-for-1 realm matching, a guild leader making the move would keep the guild name and members would join as they copied. (IF they can make that tech work in Classic.) Otherwise, it’s first come, first serve on logging in, just like transferring to a new realm.
I don’t know what most people want. I couldn’t care less what happens to classic when BC is released. All I care about is that I get to move my characters forward. Just as I did years ago when the BC expansion was originally released. Since classic won’t matter to me when BC is released I’m ok with blizzard finding some accommodation for those who don’t want to move to BC. We won’t know what most people want until we see the population numbers for BC and classic only servers.
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I mean, you could always just stay on classic if its really that bad on you. I feel that the people pissed about this are the same ones trying to angle to control the market.
Also 4 60s and 5k saved? I thought i had problems but jesus man… If you had the time to do all that and are crying about having to level another toon or not having your stockpile of gold to control the market - i am sure you will be fine in TBC.
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