Talanji should have asked both factions for aid instead of only one

Terenas even knew about the gladiator pits and looked the other way for a cut of the profits

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Honestly the term & demand for reparations these days IRL would be a poor comparison to use in WoW anyway, given for many ā€˜Reparationsā€™ is more-or-less an abused phrase for them thatā€™s demandingly used now, as something that can never be repaid and is almost always owing :grimacing: ā€“

  • You could have the owing side save the other from extinction, donate their own houses to them and go to the brink of extinction themselves or collapsing into famine & poverty as a result ā€” and theyā€™d STILL be demanding reparations, incessive virtue signalling & demanding itā€™s no where near enough and that more is still owed.

So I gotta say Iā€™m with Soulbreaker on this one ā†’

:diamonds: To clarify for those who read too-much-into what Iā€™ve said above:

  • Iā€™m not saying reparations cannot be repaid or thatā€™s what the pure definition is. Iā€™m saying to many (not all): Thatā€™s how they interpret it.

So from a narrative perspective; Warcraft especially, I think itā€™d just be a messy idea to entertain too much ā€” and is best dealt with more-or-less rather quickly for the overall story.

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The end justify the means. Just like Arthas. I cant believe youā€™re so blind that you have now take the moral stance of Arthas(a character you have nothing but contempt for) to justify what the Horde did. Hypocrisy.

Then why are you even vaguely mentioning the Horde leaving Ashenvale completely?

The Horde had set up major fortifications in Ashenvale from the wake of the Cataclysm, leaving completely would mean abandoning those. Sure not ALL of those remained by lore, however there were still others that did. Those encampments didnā€™t have anything to do with the War of the Thorns.

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THEY WERE FLEEING THE SCOURGE ZERDE

Without the HORDE and the Alliance meeting at Mount Hyjal. EVERYBODY DIES

Like serious dude, what part are you seriously struggling with?

For the last time, nobody but you has a love affair for Arthas. You desperately want to ignore the lore of WC 3 for some stupid obession with keeping the alliance pure and morally sanitized as possible

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Just like the camps.

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the mental gymanstics zerde has to do in insane, a true gold medalist

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Or hereis an idea, the Horde could NOT have stolen ships and made their own/found another way to cross the sea.

The Alliance had no choice in the matter of the camps sans killing all of them.

Thatā€™s some nice justification there.

Because indefinite slavery for a whole race no matter what they did is the ONLY ethical choice apparently.

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He also apparently doesnā€™t understand how long it takes to build a single ship, provision it and than making sure itā€™s actually sea worthy. Let alone building enough to house all the orcs that made the trip with Thrall.

And thatā€™s not even factoring in the scourge army that was killing everything and everyone in itā€™s path in the Eastern Kingdoms

But we all know what he would have really loved, if the horde just simply rolled over and died.

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Again, the Alliance(at least some of them) were not planning on indefinately slavery and Antonidas wanted to cure them. But the Horde had a sickeness he couldnt heal.

The Alliance does it in less then a few months! Or did you not realize that was the recruitment quest for the Kul Tirans.

None of that excuses indefinite captivity for a whole race.

They could have banished them somewhere where they could be monitored and contained if needed, but there was profit in keeping them.

The alliance has the actual infrastructure to build ships already in place.

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Let me know when the horde got tide sages and a master shipwright, plus having the time and infrastructure to build several ships at once

Oh right, those ships were stolen during the scourge/legion invasion and the horde wouldnā€™t have had time to build several ships to house and feed the horde on their journey to Kalimdor

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Not to mention many of the Alliance actually disagreed with the camps ā€¦ As they wanted to outright wipe them out. :grimacing:

Gotta say, leaving ASAP was probably the best idea :joy:

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What profit? If anything it was costing the Alliance more to maintain it. Also, banish where? So that they could rally with the Warsong or other free Orcs and attack the Alliance again?

You mean the blood elves and Forsaken? Again, if the Horde has problems with the camp they could deal with them about it.

Gross take.

Because Iā€™m talking about the war in Ashenvale.

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mate the forsaken were lordaeron they were pro camp, it was kulā€™tiras, gilneas and quelā€™thalas who were anti

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You do know that Terenas was well aware of the gladiator ring that Blackmore was running right? And that he was perfectly okay with it because Lordaeron was making a large profit off the cut from those fights?

Terenas only sent Arthas to check on Blackmore, to basically make sure Adelas wasnā€™t skimming from the gold that was meant for Lordaerons coffers.

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Well gladiator fights apparently arenā€™t profitable, nor are attempts to make a force to seize power with. Although the reference to the use as slave labor was from the old rpg that got canned. People had reason to want to keep the orcs in captivity instead of banishing them somewhere.

If Iā€™m remembering the zone right Swamp of Sorrows has some pretty obvious choke points that could be held.

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Like I stated ā†’

You can dislike the take, warped-definition or interpretation all you want, heck I know I do ā€” but it doesnā€™t change the fact it sadly still exists.

Which is precisely why people are also mentioning Cataclysm. Leaving completely would mean leaving behind what was there prior to the War of the Thorns, which came far after.

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