Most of the Horde races, as established, do not owe the Alliance any apologises whatsoever.
Au contraire, the Alliance owes many of those races an apology.
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Most of the Horde races participated in several genocides. Yes, they do owe the Alliance several apologies.
Said group did so when they were NOT part of the Alliance and more importantly, the Alliance is forcing them to repent for it.
Why? The Alliance forced them into an alliance where that would eventually happen.
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They didnât âforceâ anyone to join the Horde. They joined an organization that commited multiple genocides of their own accord.
Ignoring the fact that Arzaal came to Velen of his own violation. Nobody forced them to do anything. They WANT to try to do better and Velen was kind of enough to let them try
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And now they get to try and do their good deeds on behalf of the Alliance. They are only allowed back on Azeroth due to the grace of the draenei. And if they try anything funny, well the Alliance deal with them.
The Eredar predate the Horde and essentially spearheaded the pitch of plans to kickstart the Hordeâs formation towards the ends of weakening Azeroth.
With that logic, I could argue all those genocides was a different âHordeâ and the new Horde is simply a different one & thus the said-crimes doesnât count.
People tend to unironically be asking you the very same question.
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What was the alternative for the Blood Elves who tried to join the Alliance, but it turns out the Alliance betrayed them and potentially saboteured and diminished the chances of the Blood Elves surviving in general?
All while the Blood Elves were dealing with amani resurgents and scourge remnants.
The Blood Elves needed help, and the Alliance instead chose to step on them. Who actually offered help then? The Horde.
So, how were they not forced to join the Horde?
Bilgewater Goblins likewise were being shot at by the Alliance and hunted down by the Alliance, and for what? For âNo witnessesâ.
The Vulpera were just earning coin by transporting goods across Volâdun, and the Alliance decided the best way to deal with them was to slaughter them and burn their homes down - forcing the Vulpera to fully commit to the Horde.
And the scenario repeats itself.
The only races who were not forced to join the Horde, is the orcs, tauren and pandaren, they all chose to join and stick with the Horde out of their own volition, rather than being forced into the Horde by the Alliance.
Also funny how two of the most peaceful Warcraft races are the ones who joined and stuck with the Horde willingly.
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If that logic works for his faction, than like you said, it works for the horde. Some people donât think the consequences of what they say through and how it can be used against them 
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Thatâs a very flawed point. I mean, do you think every US citizen is aware of every action taken by the US Government?
Speaking more directly to the Allianceâs actions in QuelâThalas, that was an act of espionage, of spying. Even in the matter of the sanctum that failed, the NPC directly states, âit doesnât seem as if the one who wrote this was responsible, but was sent here to observe.â In the Ghostlands, the Night Elven camps did not directly attack the Blood Elves, not until they were attacked first at any rate.
Keep in mind, information coming out of QuelâThalas at that time was confused to begin with, and it was actually exiled High Elves telling the Alliance how the Blood Elves were turning to mana vampiracy to live.
In their lodges in the Eastern Kingdoms, in Theramore, in Stormwind City, and then there were those in Outland as well.
Or the High Elves were told, âThe Blood Elves joined the Horde,â and leapt to their own conclusions as to why.
Pilgrimage was certainly one of those olive branches Lorâthemar extended to the High Elves. Mind you, the very next time we see the Sunwell after the Quelâdelar incident, Iâm not seeing anymore High Elven pilgrims, let alone a representative for the High Elves.
Also, youâre forgetting that 4/5 of the Horde Heroes also potentially return Quelâdelar to the Sunwell, and the same exact reaction happens where they immediately blame Auric and draw their blades on him.
Yeah, see, while normally Iâd agree with you here, thereâs going to be a little problem in that⌠Blizzard is absolutely about to prove the Void Elves 110% correct, in that yeah, QuelâThalas REALLY NEEDED TO BE PREPARED FOR THE THREAT OF THE VOID.
Dumbest race they ever added to the gameâŚ
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Kirin_Tor_Peacekeeper
Vereesa almost shot at Rommath this morning. Khadgar had to talk her down... again.
Sounds more like raised tempers than an actual assassination attempt.
I donât recall Rommath being a target during this, but Iâve already discussed the Purge a thousand times before hand. Suffice to say, this was the point the High Elves stopped being victims of the Blood Elves, and struck back.
Thank you. Auto-correct is a pain.
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Like my mother used to say, if you Pearl harbor someone, donât be shocked when you get Hiroshimaâd in return
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ThatâsâŚ.certaintly a interesting way of putting it 
Raised tempers seems more like something on par with saying regretful words. Someone trying to shoot someone is a bit more than that.
I love how this is spun to make it ok to kill completely other people than who exiled them. Being exiled is rough, but itâs nothing on par with torture and murder. The High Elves then are psychotic and thank god they donât live in Silvermoon anymore.
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I kinda find it amusing how itâs mainly certain alliance mains saying itâs okay to murder innocent people as long as theyâre a part of the monster faction.
But will freak out if the opposite were to be suggested about the horde killing innocent people
And the fact that it has to be repeated that murdering innocent people is Never okay or justifiable is what worries me. The Silver Convenant werenât murdering criminals. They were torturing and killing shopkeepers and the like.
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Yeah what if we killed more Alliance because they allied with the Manari who were allied with the Legion who tore through Silvermoon? Would that be ok if we just kill people not even involved with any of that? Absolutely not!
They donât get, yes, the things the Horde did were wrong. But so is this! Itâs so nuts!
Yes exactly and if they went after the Horde responsible or Fanlyr or Thalen instead of civilians itâd be ok.
They canât recognize collective punishment in their own faction. Thatâs concerning.
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Doubly so for the Alliance.
How many ânewâ Horde have their been? And maybe more importantly how many times does this new Horde keep the memory of its old, genocidal leaders. These Manâari rejected their old Legion masters and yet some in the Horde would outright tolerate Sylvanas returning.
I mean, they freak out about the horde killing soldiers too.
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There are less old Horde now. Eitrigg and Rexxar are pretty much it. And they donât do anything anymore. And besides none of that matters when you want Amani for the Alliance, lol.
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That is because the one who wrote the letter was the dwarf.
People really did not pay attention to the questline.
The dwarf, as was pointed out, was sent to observe a malfunctioning sanctum, as specified in the quest itself. One of his goals for being in Eversong Woods, was to observe a malfunctioning sanctum.
His documents, that also contained very detailed notes about the inner workings of the sanctums, as well as other key points in Quelâthalas, were found on Night Elves who just so happened to be found near a âmalfunctioningâ sanctum, while a dwarf had one of his goal be: âObserve a malfunctioning sanctumâ.
Those in Outland seemed to have been treated better than other High Elves, for obvious reasons, even Vereesa was treated with more venom, for obvious reasons.
It seems Lorâthemar and the Blood Elves were written to distinguish between High Elves who were able to return home and actually help their people and homeland, and those who were not.
Lorâthemar in the story âIn the shadow of the sunâ also showed more sympathy and regret when talking to the Quelâlithien High Elves, but was more venomous towards Vereesa. Both for obvious reasons. Because those in Quelâlithien were the High Elves who did fight for Quelâthalas and their people and got exiled for refusing the mana succ-succ. Vereesa and those under her were the High Elves, who were highly competent military, but never returned to Quelâthalas to help⌠until much later.
Now, âIn the shadow of the sunâ was a fan written story made canon by blizzard, so that may actually have been a skilled and competent writer, unlike Blizzardâs team. But the different attitudes that Lorâthemar shows, may be the result of someone in Blizzardâs team actually being a decent writer⌠or it is the same issue that Vereesa also suffers from⌠total dementia, idiocy, and constant personality switching.
Well, it was for the Quelâdelar questline, and considering Blizzard not wanting to update old content, of course it was only shown then. And the next time we saw the Sunwell was many years ago, so they wouldnât be there anymore.
Agreed⌠but maybe they wouldnât have needed to be ready for the void if it was not for one specific void elf⌠Alleria, who seemed to have been the catalyst for the voiders to actually find the Sunwell. Kinda the same way that the legion first found Azeroth through heavy arcane usage.
They are⌠but atleast they actually had a theme, presence and existence that brought them away from the Blood Elves⌠unlike the High Elves, the dumbest reintroduction ever.
Blood Elves in general was, was more the point, and of Vereesa too.
High Elves never were victims of the Blood Elves. The Blood Elves never attacked or sought to hurt the High Elves⌠same canât be said the other way around.
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