You must be trolling. I have not seen any math or numbers Kelli has posted that are not faulty.
You must have not read the whole thread: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/en/wow/t/taeznaks-100-frost-feedback/1478894/61
I rebuttaled with numbers and all I get back is a;
Which is not true and I brought up the fact that they have never played Frost in arena or any arena match this season so they have no credibility to their point.
Rankings isnât math though. Itâs just static numbers. As far as PvP goes, Iâm staying out of it as I donât PvP. I was more or less talking about class/spec mechanics
To be fair, itâs not hard to look at power rankings listed on many sites and claim what is or isnât S or A or B tier. /shrug But thatâs another argument.
No, thats exactly what you are saying. Again if you are going through this trying to trial and error everything then that is your problem. I can see the issue with a full frost damage Obliterate quite easily, I seen the issues with KM rank 2 without experiencing it once, I seen the issues with adding 2h and propping it up with MotFW because we all seen that before, shattering strikes issue, Rime issues, adding in GA to KM procs and on and on and on.
So instead of trying to say âI have more experience thus I know more than youâ and dismissing anyone you disagree with, maybe listen to them and think about what they are saying longer than .5 of a second and then saying âso you are sayingâ and its entirely wrong.
I only dismiss you when youâre wrong. I donât think everything you say is incorrect, but your views seem entirely based on paper which donât always turn out as ideal when implemented. Its like going to a boxing match and telling a professional boxer how to fight despite never being in a fight in your life. You might know some techniques based on watching but if they tell you youâre wrong, youâre probably wrong.
Need you to sit on these two things you said until it clicks.
Coaches might never box, but are giving calls to their boxer all the time. A boxer with a big ego takes a harder fall.
I look at it like there is a lot of people on these forums that are in that mid between. Inflated ego because they do something, but not good enough to actually climb and would rather blame the spec for their failings when there are others climbing past you with the same spec.
I canât imagine ever getting guitar, snowboarding, boxing, or any kind of lesson from someone who is inexperienced. Hard pass.
Typically players that have a hard time climbing come in for advice. They will give strong criticism, rightfully so, while still accepting otherâs to better themselves.
Oh are you simply referring to only PvP matters? FunnyâŠi thought you disagreed with Kel out of spite regardless of what he saysâŠgo sit down
Didnât say that.
Didnât say that either.
Again. There is a difference between coaching and doing. It was a bad comparison on your part.
You can read a guide, follow the raid leaders orders and produce an inflated ego but when it comes to answering question a lot of you are way off base. Most of which i have absolutely no idea where it comes from because it never existed.
There are other things like people not understanding power budget and balance when it comes to making changes.
If everyone is supposed to provide a dollar right. And obliterate provides 65 cents of that dollar, it cant be buffed and you cant buff other stuff without that budget coming from somewhere. Frostreaper works like that so if you want Obliterate to be buffed, or changed to full frost damage then that has to come from somewhere. Frost strike, HB, RW BoS⊠It would have to come from somewhere. It doesnt matter how much experience you gave that is never going to change.
Obliterate full frost damage will come with a nerf to something. No way around it just like Frostreaper came with a nerf to Obliterate to balance out the average.
In terms of pvp people were not targetting the DK. At least higher rated because they were magic damage sponges and thats what the best specs are right now. It was an overbudget in terms of survivability.
What numbers? You mean the people he mention is top of the ladder? the â2 playersâ, Thatâs like saying an African country has a well developed football program because there is one top football player from there, thatâs just stupid and in no way any reasonable way to analyze data.
A game should be fun and while fun is subjective, is objectively based on how someone feels. People play to have fun and viability doesnât mean a spec is in a good state by any means, there are things that people want to be changed and it is ok even when the spec is performing âgoodâ. E.g Mages have been good for long time now, but the majority of players hate Rune of Power with their soul, even when viable, because its not fun. Enhancement players didnât like the change in legion to bfa, even when performing because it was not fun, now they changed and is actually one of the best designed specs in my opinion, wasnât that good on SL but people didnât ask for changes but buffs because it was still fun. For you to understand what a spec needs in terms of playability, YOU NEED TO PLAY IT IN THAT CONTENT, PERIOD.
You and he seems to agree on someone, just argue for the sake of it with numbers that donât add anything to the conversation or feedback people are trying to give here in order to improve the spec who has been neglected more than any other class/spec in the last 2 years.
Iâm not here to change your mind or his, if you wanna add something relevant to the forum with suggestions or a perspective of how you play the spec, thatâs fine, if you want to giving the contrary to anything people say or argue about anything else not topic related, I just donât care. Either way I only respond to trolls once.
No Kelliste, youâre not a good PvP coach.
But a game doesnât operate on how someone feels is what Iâm saying. âI feel it should work this wayâ =/= mechanics.
Again, wanting buffs for the sake of âI feelâ isnât the same as Kel responding with âif that happens, youâre going to lose out somewhere elseâ. Which you all then go on the ad hominem, but heâs got a track record of being right, and no one is willing to acknowledge that.
Yes, it would FEEL amazing to have Obliterate scale strictly off of Frost damage (scale with Mastery) and having KM procs just guarantee critsâŠbut thatâs going to break Oblit to where theyâll nerf something to compensate
Grizzle has never played a Death Knight and comes here to argue about what ânumbersâ you can put on a target dummy.
You should be ashamed of yourself because you know full well i was not calling myself a coach but rather pointing out the flaw in your ideology. This is the kind of thing that makes me not take any of you seriously and its rampant across these forums.
So this Grizzle guy only posts to either insult those who tell Kelliste shes wrong/bad or to support Kelliste.
Iâd say hes an alt but he actually has some content done. So hes just a troll. Put him on ignore.
Druid forums are that way kid.
they absolutely change lol. another terrible uninformed opinion to add to the missive list
what changes where? more vague posts to add to the list
Your stupidity is almost as astounding as how poorly thought out everything you say is. Your mechanics absolutely change based on difficulty of content. You will have to take different talent builds, sometimes play more defensive, sometimes less, change from obliteration to BoS or vice versa, change target priority, hold cds at certain times for important mechanics, etc. Go bother a different class forum (or better yet, a different gameâs forum) until you actually play ur Dk
Sure thing, but if you are going to call someone out, make sure its actually calling someone out based on what they said.
I asked if the mechanics of abilities change if you enter pvp or M+ or raids, not that you have to change how you play due to different builds.
Go bother someone else. So tired of you people that cant read a simple post and go off the deep end because of it.