Nope.
Sure didn’t change my mind. Zelling got what was coming to him. Go team Sylvanas. My support of Sylvanas doesn’t come from spite but from 100% genuine loyalty.
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I don’t get it. Did you people not play the Undercity scenario or are you challenged? She gave out gas masks to the Horde and then blighted the field. She raised those who were already dead. This was pretty clear from the Horde perspective.
From the Alliance perspective, all we see is her blighting the field and raising the dead, and of course his holiness Anduin goes “
how could she kill her own!?!?!?!”
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They ruined a potentially good character for the sake of a narrative that nobody wanted…
Chance are if they being him back it’s to make him a light infused Undead…
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Considering 90% of the posts are people arguing I don’t think it qualifies as an echo chamber.
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When you take a step back, its pretty easy to see where the numbers skew, my friend.
Can you give an example? The only one I can think of is that the story in BFA is pretty universally disliked. Even then there are several camps that disagree with why they don’t like it.
I guess if you step back far enough away everything always looks the same anyway… mostly just because you can’t see the details anymore.
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Got a particular reason why?
I thought Zelling was the one of the first Forsaken characters since pre-Cata to have some level of depth or nuance. He wants to help his living family, which immediately puts him at odds with a lot of Forsaken who, y’know, take their name to heart.
He accepted that he’ll never rejoin them, but will do right by the Horde to ensure his family remains safe, and came to admire the values he was taught regarding a faction he was likely raised to hate (depending on how old he was at his time of death).
He still had values and morals, which were in short supply amongst the Forsaken since Sylvanas had her little miniature purge in Arathi.
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i don’t really care about zelling. he was introduced to the story 6 minutes ago and died 2 minutes ago.
all jokes aside this pissed me off more than anything else she’s done.
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And the Mage didn’t even portal me back to Dazar’alor.
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Lul, the laughable plot from BtS that casually Saurfang DOESN’T KNOW about. Bad example to justify God King Blanduin’s interference in Saurfang’s plot development.
For Sadfang, Anduin is merely that one childish leader that let his subjects get away with warmongering stuff for the lols (as said by the narrative of “A Good War”). If anything, this should have made him a terribad candidate to deposit Sadfang’s trust precisely because the chance of Anduin ignoring a bloodthirsty and ruthless Nelf / Worgen combo justly dedicated to wipe tge Horde from the face of Azeroth is VERY high… Stormheim proved that in the Horde’s perspective.
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My personal theory (with nothing to back it, mind,) is that they killed Zelling in public only to re-raise him for reconditioning in private… because they still need a Tidepriest.
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As the apparent president of the “Spite Blizzard” club, i’d like to point out that I never said I was upset with Sylvanas’ direction. No, I said I was upset with the Story’s direction.
All of it. Not just a piece. Not a part. But the whole package. In particular, the Horde as a whole. If you want to talk “character assassination”, my biggest beef with BfA is that it “assassinates” the entire Horde’s character.
It’s why I’m so spiteful of their attempts to lump all the evil onto one person. Because, after Cata and MoP, we can’t just pretend Sylvanas is the problem now. No, not with this story.
Blizz has written a Horde that is broken and unable to hold to their own ideals. Who have failed time and time again to live up to their Warcraft 3 characterization.
Baine is right. There is a sickness within the Horde. But it isn’t Sylvanas.
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A sickness indeed… But how can you fight a cancerous narrative when the tumor is the writers themselves?
I suppose we will go down fighting and screaming tooth and nail while we see others happily accept their incoming vassal status on the Wrynn’s empire…
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On top of Zelling’s betrayal, I’m not so fond of woe is me sad Forsaken, its good that they are have representation but its not my cup of tea.
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Sylvanas has been an unlikable character since Cataclysm, if anything Zelling’s death may have just been an eye-opener for some of her fans still believing she’s “morally grey”.
Anyone who has supported her since Cataclysm is doing so based on pre-existing lore from WC3 and trying to use her motivations then as justifications now - even though she’s essentially an entirely changed character for the worse.
I’d point to Edge of Night as the real turning point for her character. It’s hard to empathize with a sociopath.
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All the Forsaken fans who didn’t ignore the new Forsaken lore in BtS have died of clapping or were executed for reading books and are no longer with us.
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Saurfang put himself into Anduin’s care after refusing Sylvanas’ aid at UC and surrendering to Anduin. Then Saurfang refused the aid of the Horde Player when they tried to rescue him.
Apparently he was only willing to leave his Stormwind vacation when his master Anduin let him out.
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Yeah, honestly I don’t see BFA as character assassination. I see it as the consequence of Sylvanas being given control of one of the world’s two super powers rather than having to follow orders (to a degree) and stay int he shadows for sneakier things etc. The only sharp pivot in her character IMO was between wrath and cata when she decided to use the val’kyr to raise more forsaken.
It made me realize things are going to continue to be pretty odd. And I will find some humor in it.
I read somewhere that the people in charge of the GoT TV show announced Cersei had Tommen’s cat killed after Tommen’s death, because it annoyed her, and it was a reminder of her dead son. A little detail about a cat in the show. Something that has little impact on the story, but is just an extra cruel thing to introduce for lulz.
Zelling’s death reminds me of this.
They will just dump crazy crap on the Horde. We have a war campaign where Lilian and Zelling discuss voluntarily becoming a Forsaken while he is a living person. Then the Forsaken leader and Warchief kills him.
It should be called a “Self defeat while being pointlessly villainous” campaign.
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I feel had they stuck to the original idea of Saurfang demanding to see Anduin himself when the rescue party came, his image could have been retained to some extent.
Here is an old Orc, caught in the very heart of enemy territory. And he just walks out when the rescue party comes, demanding to a whole horde of very armed guards to take him to the king. And the sea of mook parts to let him pass. That is the kind of energy Saurfang should have had all along.
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