Swap AV sides

[Bodicca-westfall]

This is the very same guy who thinks there is some sort of deep-state style anti-alliance conspiracy deep inside Blizzard…and that they named the buff in Icecrown Citadel “Hellscream” is proof of that.

Another troll post from you. Not a single thing you said is remotely the truth. Go back and read and see who said what.

[Pollz-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I will encourage every single person to read what you said, word-for-word. I think that will do more damage to your credibility than I ever could.

[Bodicca-westfall]

Here it is in case anyone gets lost:

AV is such a mess

How about just switch map sides? Blizzard would never do this. There’s literally a horde statue in front of their headquarters. Ion plays a horde character, always has played one and bragged about never touching Alliance: Let’s not forget the little jabs at Alliance: “Back in ICC there was the Hellscream buff, or whatever the buff was for people who were playing the wrong faction” - Josh Allen And there were two changes made to Classic AV because the poor, poor horde were getting camped in t…

I could fill up the thread with evidence of horde bias. Let’s start with this:

https://www.vg247.com/2011/10/27/wow-players-outraged-anti-alliance-blizzcon-presentation/

“Hey guys, we read and heard all the feedback from BlizzCon this year. The Corpsegrinder bit was never intended to be taken seriously. We are sorry that we offended anyone; everything at our shows is just meant in fun. Thank you all for speaking up. We’ll definitely keep this in mind for future shows.”

Yeah. The Blizzard response was, Hey guys, homophobic slurs and telling people to die is all in good fun. Get it guys? Huh? Get it? LOL.

So if you want to continue with Blizzard having horde bias, we can. I’m sure you’ll just say something like, “If the Alliance would stop AFKing in BG’s they’d see Blizzard isn’t bias,” or something equally lame.

[Bodicca-westfall]

No, you and every other Alliance have decided that. You just haven’t admitted it to yourself. There is NO argument against the fact that Alliance won 60% of matches in Vanilla with this exact same map and without premades. This is historical data which you cannot contest. That simple FACT destroys any argument you could make blaming the map.

Show your source then. Be sure to include the number of Horde and the number of Alliance players.

[Tuskamus-area-52 (Tuskamus)]

Or be better? We had the same map in vanilla.

Alliance won more games than

Actually we didn’t have the same map in vanilla. The 1.12 version we are playing was introduced at the very end of Vanilla. It is NOT the version we played 90% of the time. An additional footnote, once all the NPC’s and land mines and craziness were removed, horde win rates skyrocketed because their cave entrance was so much closer they basically got to position themselves to control the map before any fighting even started. The cave location was changed very soon after 1.12 and it’s basically the worst version of AV that ever existed.

Having said that, I blame alliance players more than I blame the map. The average attitude in there is amazingly terrible and the Alliance deserve most of their losses.

[Drytoast-myzrael]

The que times were reversed back then fella.

And I will add that the horde dominated AB and WSG back then.

So it panned out I guess?

[Pollz-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Yes please, keep going.

[Leafblight-dark-iron (Leafblight)]

LOL really? Some WOW band group put out a video calling Alliance names and suggesting they should die, which Blizzard heavily censored, and THAT is evidence they’re biased towards Horde? Good lord will you sink to no low?

[Leafblight-dark-iron (Leafblight)]

Blizzard is the source? They announced AV win rates back then, it’s online.

[Leafblight-dark-iron (Leafblight)]

If the queue’s were reversed back then, then if anything Horde was premading and Allaince STILL won. What does that say about you guys.

[Consensus-hyjal]

Prove it. Did they announce them for every realm? Because most of vanilla was realm only AV.

[Littlemixer-pagle]

Horde would be absolutely astonished how defenseless SHB and SHGY are.

[Drytoast-myzrael]

Horde wasn’t premade av back then. The premades were all in wsg and ab. Because that was the meta.

Av was reserved for the left overs. Horde had the problem of players lacking motivation and coordination.

But anytime we choked out alliance at galv back then, we won.

Sf gy wasn’t a a thing back then. To my memory neither alliance or horde took it.

What all this means is, that at no point in history have both sides been trying for the same goals at the same time.

And yes that has an impact most of all over the out come of the match. And they never will

Which makes your investment in av as anything worthwhile humours to me.

[Bodicca-westfall]

Yes please, keep going.

Choppergate.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Then that’s on them and not a problem with the map.

That is 100% a problem with the map if one side has a massive early advantage.

[Bodicca-westfall]

LOL really? Some WOW band group put out a video calling Alliance names and suggesting they should die, which Blizzard heavily censored, and THAT is evidence they’re biased towards Horde? Good lord will you sink to no low?

Here’s the entire thing, you should watch it:

[Bodicca-westfall]

Blizzard is the source? They announced AV win rates back then, it’s online.

First of all crbgs weren’t a thing for most of Vanilla. So where is this data? I’m not finding it. You obviously saw it somewhere or you wouldn’t be making this claim, right?

[Pollz-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Keep it coming.

[Leafblight-dark-iron (Leafblight)]

Or alliance just aren’t willing to deal with hour long turtles anymore for a maybe 50/50 win rate.

No, you just refusing to put in the effort to defeat an enemy strategy is not a problem with the map.

[Leafblight-dark-iron (Leafblight)]

Keep sinking lower buddy.