With all these returning shots requiring a ranged weapon hows this going to work for survival. Are they going to update the requirements so they work with our melee weapon equipped? I would really love to be able to use Kill Shot and Tranquilizing Shot. It would give more pet freedom as well, I always feel obliged to have a pet with a purge as it’s so useful.
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No, they’re going to make you log out, log back in, and then equip a bow each time you want to use kill shot…
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i feel like SV is still very much a work in progress. I havent had the chance to play it as yet as im, not in the alpha, but i wonder how all that range is factoring in. It could be super awesome or super clunky.
Kill shot uses the same hand crossbow as your poison. It’s melee, and will launch in SL as melee.
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and arcane?
Shouldn’t really be a thing. I don’t expect any major changes to survival moving forward (we’ll see how this ages ofc). The spec is fine once you drown out the complainers that want their ranged sv back. KS and TS both use the pocket crossbow from what I’ve seen and there will never be any need to use SS or AS in our regular rotation.
Just because we have these abilities doesn’t mean we have to use them.
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I almost get the impression they tossed SS and AS onto Survival just to see how far they could go with unpruning before people called it too much.
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They tossed them onto Survival because they have always been important baseline Hunter elements before Legion. The reason they feel like they don’t fit for Survival is because Survival now doesn’t fit the class.
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Same way as it does right now, hand crossbow animation. SV is a hybrid melee / ranged class.
That is something that needs to be checked with pet balancing. Having one with a purge is definitively a strong choice.
Still on the hate crusade toward SV hunter, uh.
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Very reassuring, ty.
Lol, poor guy. I’m starting to feel sorry for you my man.
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It wouldn’t be a survival post with Beps hijacking it to complain about RSV being killed like 4 years ago. I gotta give him credit for his persistence.
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So, hey, why do they feel like they don’t fit for BM anymore?
You don’t have to answer, I know why: Because Steady Shot has no place in BM’s rotation and does nothing to interact with BM’s pet. And Arcane Shot is superfluous when we already have a green version called Cobra Shot.
Point is, it’s not the stick the character is holding that makes these shots seem out of place, it’s their ability to use them in a meaningful way that will tie into the spec’s overall feel. Kill Shot manages that across all specs, Survival included - it’ll have a nice Between the Eyes feel to it.
Tranq Shot for sure feels right on Survival. I’d argue that it feels smarter on Survival (with its toxin-laden hand crossbow) than on BM or MM, but I won’t argue that to the point where BM and MM lose it.
Arcane Shot will be of some minimal usefulness on Survival, as well, but I could take it or leave it. It has no place with BM.
Steady Shot … really has no place with Survival or BM.
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I hope with arcane s coming back they make it where you can opt in to range weapon. That would give me a second ranged spec other than bm that allows a pet out. Unless they bring down lone wolf or allow pet aoe where you can have a pet out on mm and not suffer dps loss.
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Do not only did Blizzard just lazily slamp it in by giving it same animation as SS, it also means MSV has more range abilities than melee.
Only have white damage and Raptor Strike while MSV can throw most of it abilities from a far.
It keeps moving away from melee, even hybrid, to being a range spec again.
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Which is unfortunate. In an attempt to appeal to people who wanted melee SV they deleted ranged SV. Now in an attempt to appeal to the people who rightfully want ranged SV back they slowly mutilate melee SV to try and establish a middle ground spec that just makes neither happy.
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I think you’re missing the point.
Those abilities aren’t meant to tie into BM’s rotation. They serve as part of the foundation on which the class is built, as are all the abilities you gain before selecting a specialization.
Come Shadowlands, Steady and Arcane are your rotation at level 9. And the reason why you still have them even after choosing a specialization is because your character doesn’t have amnesia.
All hunters, regardless of spec, should be able to use Arcane and Steady. You shouldn’t be able to “forget” them. They are core abilities.
That being said. To my knowledge, hunters don’t get a melee attack unless they choose SV.
Level 9 hunters don’t have a melee element to double-down on. The other specs have that logical path of evolution and SV doesn’t.
That’s why people say SV doesn’t fit the class. You wouldn’t level up as an Archer, then suddenly prefer melee combat. It just doesn’t make sense.
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Hands down the worst comment about Alpha testing ever. There should be a point to having these abilities, being able to use them matters.
Ah, well, that makes more sense then. I haven’t played the alpha, so I don’t know what leveling looks like right now.
That is a separate issue. But to be clear, I do think it’s an issue. Because you’re right, it represents a break in hunter leveling and evolution.
At the risk of sounding pedantic, that isn’t why people say Survival doesn’t fit the class. It could be a good reason going forward, but it hasn’t existed to be any quality of reason until now.
In general, people say Survival doesn’t fit the class because they A) miss old ranged Survival and/or B) Are possessed of the ridiculous notion that melee hunters don’t make sense from a lore or mechanical perspective.
Yes, they butcher MSV each expansion trying to make it more appealing to players. Player’s do not like the complexity of the rotation, so they prune it back. They do not like that it is melee, so add more range abilities. They still want RSV back, so add older range abilities back.
Most players were happy with BfA MSV, and there were other melee abilties we had in Legion that got removed. Why not just add those back?
At this point we will have Vanilla Hunters back, but not even RSV, it will be closer to a older version of MM.
If they want to appease both sides then give us more than just range abilities back.
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