I mean they should just give all the base melee and ranged abilities to all specs. Then the talent can be “Arcane Shot triggers all effects that trigger from Raptor Strike and Multi-Shot triggers all effects that trigger from Carve”, replacing with MB/Butchery if talented.
Counter Shot should trigger Muzzle’s cool down, and Wing Clip should trigger Concussive Shot’s cool down.
Kill Shot and Flanking Strike get the 40yd range.
To make it feel more like old RSV, add Flayed Shot as a talent.
Who said I was looking to play old RSV? But I agree Just add in Lock and Loaded but have serpent sting proc it instead of adding in black arrow and bring back serpent spread to effect multishot again and hunter can fire and poison dot down targets and just give MM hunters pets a bleed passive for more dots. Im just not against it im not in any camps really so im annoyed ill just get everyone hating me cause I just dance to my own tune.
Just a tip, in case you’re not aware, Toxik/Metroid has one goal on these forums. That is to troll anyone who even remotely speaks favorably of RSV, or any thoughts of bringing it back somehow. He has no interest whatsoever in sincere discussions.
Hard disagree, MM is not good as it is. Its need to be reworked. The playstyle is stale, they didnt update anything after they butchered it in BFA, the remake in BFA was not good enough and was rushed.
its like 5% of specs in the game that doesnt have a stun which is huge right now. It doesnt reliable passive wound poison like nearly all specs, hardly any survivability\healing compared to most other dps specs, The spec is so simple there is basically no interaction between spells other than pressing aimshot when it comes off cd and pressing arcane shot. Looking at other MMORPGS that do Hunters\Bow classes wow is really lacking in terms of not only toolkit but the actual class fantasy.
Uhhh no. I make fun of bepples for being delusional. I make fun of you for staying hidden off your main. Thats it. Idc if you like ranged survival. Its the mere fact you constantly complain and cry about not having WoDs version of it is what annoys people. Im not the only one who calls you out for it. You just twist and contort whatever you can. I seem to be living rent free in your head and man its not healthy.
I’m up for a new ranged survival maybe we toss around the melee weapon like Thor or we become one with nature and unleash green slashes of energy from a distance more or we have an infinite amount of throwing weapons and the weapon is random each time and can be glyphed to be boulders. Along with a melee rotation of course.
it is pretty strange they made a spear hunter spec that doesn’t do javelin throws for it’s ranged abilities. if all the ranged attacks and bombs became javelin skills it would atleast have some kind of distinct theme. something like javazon in d2
Historically, there were two types of Hunters’ spears, a thrusting spear, very robust and used at close range, and a spear that could be thrown, lighter and longer with the fabrication making it obvious the intent was to make it throwable. Accurate too, I suppose.
Maybe what they need is if you have a spear equipped you to gain a throwing spear auto-attack and Axe you get throwing axes and if sword you get throwing daggers and if staff…you get…rocks along with melee normal auto attacks depending on range from target they toggle.
Then you have your melee rotation that is really strong and then a range rotation that’s almost as good cause arcane shot isn’t as good as Raptor Strike but if they added in Arcane shot to melee weapons as pocket crossbow ability or as an energy slash from the melee weapon we no longer have to weapon swap and can boost our ranged damage for 15 sec with Aspect of the Eagle. That is the way Survival can use its tools to stay close to enemy ranged classes and be able properly kite melee classes without weapon swaping.
I kind of thought this is what blizzard were aiming for with the talent tree implementation. Plenty of options to change the playstyles. Just have ranged/melee talents on the same rows.
Pick melee all the way up. Voila. Melee SV. Pick ranged all the way up, et voila, ranged SV.
With the plethora of options in those trees i see no reason why this couldn’t be a thing. 
RSV or MSV simply through talent trees.
Toxik seems to have a knack for his useless commentary and for being unpleasant. Probably just mad his spec is dumb and no one like it or him.
At least I play the spec. Always have. Good attempt though, I know I struck a nerve with you on your lfr runs for a spec you dont even play.
lol why would I care if a crybaby hunter forum poster likes me? I wouldnt wanna be friends with anyone in their 30s complaining about losing a bow 7 years ago. Its embarrassing. Kinda like talking about class design on a spec you dont play.
I think you might actually have a secret crush on Bepples. You come off as a stalker type.
Jerry stalks me on social media. I do however find it funny someone this delusional is allowed to roam the streets.
Your like two peas in a pod. If Bepples post you’re not far behind. I think this is a dissociative identity disorder that you are a sub personality of Bepples that they created to be able to have a way to prove their arguments.
Hes the yin to my yang. But only on an online forum for a 18 year old video game. Without him Id be bored reading the same hunter post constantly. I mean sure he post the same stupid crap over and over but its funny. I never seen someone who just cannot accept taking an L no matter what.
no.
it’s never going to end.
melee survival doesn’t play like a hunter spec, it removed majority of hunter players favorite spec, the archetype entirely from the game and what we got in the expansion all about spec identity and being unique… was a pile of garbage dysfunctional bastard child of beast mastery that straight up stole spirit bond, and was given more pet interactions and abilities than the actual pet spec while blizzard straight up lied about giving us a god damn thing with ranged survival… explosive shot was made into a mockery, black arrow removed, lock n load is still worthless, aimed shot is still 70% of the spec and unless you literally don’t want to do damage you don’t have any bit of resemblance to it.
a reminder: nighthold MM hunters didn’t use aimed shot not because it was more dps to do so, but because we hated hard cast aimed shot so much and wanted our spec back.
they lose nothing to facilitate ranged survival in MM or just survival with the new talent trees with just adding a branch or two. it’s is LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE.
until we have the actual playstyle that you seem to just think mm is possible of having which isn’t even foxing remotely close… it’s never going to end. i know literally 100’s of other hunter players who quit because of what they did in legion.
says who? People who dont like a different play style thats always been a thing apart from a brief time in the games history?
Beast mastery is still in the game mate.
There isnt a spec in the game that plays like MSV. So your right, it is unique.
oh no! we stole a passive for our mastery. The horror! Wait till you find out tree form was replaced with a glyph.
Nothing is stopping you from picking up a bow. Not like your going for world first so who cares?
Its like you dont know every spell in the game has changed since launch but for whatever reason you think survival was the beaten child lmfao.
Cool, didnt ask.
so you admit its the same?
We both know you dont even know 100 people irl. Handing out drink orders from a drive through doesnt count either. Quit being hyperbolic. It doesnt staple a good argument from you. Just makes you look more dramatic.
you’re literally so wrong it’s not worth trying to explain to you.
you’re wrong because…because YOU JUST ARE, OK?