Survival vote?

Do they? Prove it.
Is the spelling defence or defense?

Defense is the standard spelling in American English. Defence is the standard spelling in British English. Source: Grammarist dotcom .
My name is not slappy, and you are annoying me. And, I have played both specs. I KNOW , it’s not just something I read in the Forums. Anyone that can’t see the difference between the playstyles of RSV vs. MM, it’s not going to matter what spec they’re in, or think they’re in, those things won’t be important to them, as they are either too inexperienced or too thick to perceive the difference

I don’t believe you. I think you would enjoy it.
I have a question.
Could you really not see the difference?
Did you even look?

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I played RSV and it clearly had a different damage profile and rotation from MM, but at the same time you were just a dude/lady doing ranged DPS in either spec and it was nowhere near as much of a difference as BM and the new SV are.

The change was a good thing.

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Not really.

Survival still lacks the exclusivity the other specs have. Other hunters can’t snipe like a MM hunter. Other hunters can’t use exotic pets like BM can. Exotic ammo, apparently, is bought from a vendor lore-wise. So anyone can use it.

Melee doesn’t fix that problem. It just makes the spec different. Not better in some way, just different.

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It’s definitely better as it gives an option to melee instead of having a 3rd ranged.

It’s also been this way for years so I’m not sure why people think RSV will come back lol

Melee isn’t an improvement over range.

Different does not equal better.

Because barely played specs tend to get reworked. Ex: Legion Survival.

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Oh yeah Legion SV was a mess lol

Current SV is badass though and it’s looking like any Hunter wanting to push high keys will need to use it in 9.2

Well, the real question then becomes, what if RSV was brought back with a modern design, like these other specs got with Legion, and after? If it got the same added focus on identity/fantasy?

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There’s no room to bring it back.

The 3 specs that are here should all stay and there’s no justification to add a 4th dps spec to a single class.

Adding specs is a serious undertaking as it’s another spec to design, balance, make tier bonuses for, etc.

So, it’s not actually about how RSV can’t be it’s own spec. It’s just that, in your mind, it’s not worth it.

Fair enough ofc, but a lot of people would disagree.

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Correct. I don’t think that it couldn’t be one, I just don’t see it having room in the class as it stands right now

That manual clearly states that hunters are primarily ranged attackers and are distinguished from melee classes via their use of ranged weapons. There’s a huge difference between having melee weapons due to a minimum range restriction and preferring to stick to melee range. You can pretend there’s not a difference if that helps you, but other people can see it and your posts don’t look so great to them.

Uses a ranged weapon (i.e. the most important part): Vanilla SV :heavy_check_mark:, SL SV :x:

No, an animation-only ranged weapon on a couple abilities that you can’t customise in any way does not count.

I’ve seen his other youtube channel. This is true. You should see what he thinks about a certain group of people orchestrating mass media.

Yes a good sign of perfection is consistently being the least-played spec in the game for years.

Why would warlock need a 3rd ranged spec? If you want dots, make Demo more dot-based and leave Destro as the Direct Dmg spec.

This just in: overtuning a borrowed power to the maximum doesn’t make melee SV a good idea. They could triple the damage of all its abilities and make it the best-performing spec in the game by magnitudes and melee SV would still be a bad idea.

Part of growing up is coming to understand that uniqueness is not automatically better.

Maybe it was unique enough as a ranged spec? Maybe we didn’t need to literally handicap SV and deny it the most iconic and central strength of the class just to chase more uniqueness?

“It gives you the option to be more restricted and limited”

Melee SV fans say the darndest things.

I can fight in melee range just fine as BM or MM by the way.

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Trust me, it won’t.

:joy:

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Im not sure if you are talking about function or fantasy so… other hunters can’t harpoon a flying dragon, pull themselves up to it, hack away at it while peppering it with molotov cocktails, all while commanding their feathermane to distract it long enough for the hunter to position himself for a flurry of strikes with his spear before leaping back down to safety.

Functionally, other hunters cant do uncapped AoE like the SV hunter can.

None of that makes a difference, but I just wanted to point out how subjective your statement was.

There is literal video of the devs saying this. Your ineptitude to look it up is a you problem, not a me problem.

I know you like to pretend you’re some kind of authority, but you don’t get to determine what does or does not count as ranged abilities. Your opinion is just an opinion, like mine and anyone else. See that’s you and your friends’ problems, you post as if what you say is fact while everyone you disagree with is not. Your opinions are not facts. Welcome to several more years of melee SV.

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It was fun that they gave Assassins an identity. Outlaws didn’t care and Subtlety were too confused to notice.

Inept? Not at all. Disinclined? Certainly.
Its your argument, its up to you to prove it.

Both I guess. Survival really doesn’t have anything special over the other specs. Not just current MSV, I mean RSV too. Exotic ammo isn’t actually tied to skill. It can be bought. Meaning it’s not exclusive.

Ok… other hunters don’t need harpoons because they have real ranged weapons. They can just shoot it from the ground…

Foolishly throwing fire bombs at a dragon you are currently riding is peak MSV stupidity. Thank you for that. It gave me a good laugh.

I’m not exactly sure what you’re after here. Not only do you take on an oversimplified stance on specific aspects of the design, but you also have a habit of twisting what other people are saying into something else. Why?

Also, do you actually know what “Specialization”, in the scope of WoW, what it means?

It’s literally you, choosing to focus on a particular part of the overall toolkit, choosing to invest more into that part.

Giant animals, well after the invention of firearms, were hunted with harpoons (and explosives).

Your laziness isn’t my problem. Notice how none of the other staunch RSV fans aren’t agreeing with you? Because they know it was said and is in a video. They would blow a gasket otherwise. But please, continue pretending it doesn’t and looking foolish.