This is blatantly false so there really isn’t anything to debate here
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All recorded data/statistics since it became a melee spec says otherwise.
In other words, I agree:
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I guess those people playing surv in mythic plus over 2700 don’t exist. In other words, you’re wrong.
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Please show me this data of 0 players ever running Survival
They are running statistic based on high key mythic players, raiders. Basically they put class in category playable/favorite based on if it’s played by mythic raiders, cutting edge players, and high key players. Nothing more.
Balance Druid was laughable last few expansion, and now it’s hailed as best spec. That’s how much it tells you what spec is favorite and that not.
Why did you specifically refer to MSV players in M+ @2700r or above? Anyway, feel free to link your source which shows that massive amount of SV players that you’re talking about.
No, the aformentioned numbers are based on wowranks.io, data from the first half of Shadowlands, which checked every character at max level with a chosen covenant. Not just high-end players.
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You do know what “virtually no one” means, don’t you?
It’s the same as “practically”, “nearly”, “almost”, which in this case, fits quite well, considering only about 4-6% of all max-level hunters play as SV. Those numbers are based on representation for the first half of Shadowlands, the most up-to-date numbers over a longer period. Links showing this data have been posted plenty of times already, feel free to check them out…
Anyway, “virtually no one” is not the same as “literally no one”.
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Just for reference to anyone reading, there are 34 SV Hunters total above 2700 in M+.
For reference there are 309 MM Hunters and 127 BM Hunters above that level.
Grats on making up a grand total of 7% of all Hunters above 2700. That’s actually a better showing than usual for melee SV 
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So means people play it on high levels and you can F off together with that Goro Goro orc and enjoy what you have.
This just in, less popular specs have less representation. You normally post some pretty stupid things, but this is probably near the top of the list of dumb things you’ve said on this forum.
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lol funniest thing about that statement… it isn’t even close to the worst thing he has said here. Trust me on that.
And?
That still does not refute the initial argument. If anything, it makes it even stronger.
Also, again, why did you specifically choose m+ rep @2700r or above, as the basis for your counter-argument? Literally anyone can just run a Google search and see for themselves that indeed, “virtually no one is playing as SV anymore”.
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Lol no
Always makes me laugh how much you will try your absolute best to latch onto anything you can to troll hard because someone disagrees with you or makes a valid point. SMH EU
The spec is being played near the top end of mythic plus. And given the amount of times you, Bepples, and the other level 10 white knight betty try to claim it isn’t good and doesn’t perform, it simply isn’t true.
Now please continue with the adolescent excuse that you used virtually so you could do exactly what you’re doing now when proven people do in fact play the spec.
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great now you are on the same page as the rest of us who keep bashing melee. ranged survival was pristine. the most played spec of any spec ever created specifically through patches 5.4 to 6.1. with 5.4 being the top time and best layout. and guess what it was removed from all of us that enjoyed playing it and replaced with a spec that has no business in the hunter family.
however while i had this feeling inside that keeps me emotionally attached to the game and hunters due to the amount of time i have invested i do honestly believe that there are a handful of people that like melee survival so on that basis i will not jump on the removal bandwagon but i will honestly ask for ranged survival to be brought back in its glorious 5.4 form. we can call it ranged survival or dark ranger due to its black arrow ability and procs etc… but we want it back. it should have never been removed in the 1st place.
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“Blizzard doing something” isn’t a justification for anything. They make stupid, misinformed decisions and bad calculations all the time; increasingly frequently as of late. They made a worse design. They wasted a bunch of time and effort on something that isn’t working.
You’re still failing to connect being melee to any of these supposed benefits. If they wanted “deeper design”, why didn’t they just iterate further on ranged Survival? It would have taken a whole lot less time and effort and ultimately led to a better result. Ranged SV had already evolved very much by the time WoD launched and there were plenty of ideas and concepts floating around to try.
I say SV was better back then because not only did it make more sense as a Hunter spec but it was a lot more popular and a lot less controversial. Are you tired of this endless bickering about SV’s design? Because there was absolutely none of that before Legion. There were no endless heated arguments about SV’s design because its design was good. There were no woes about the spec’s popularity because it was a popular spec. Legion made it an unpopular and widely disliked spec. That’s why I call it worse. It’s that simple. The only reason you think it’s better is because you’re a melee player who doesn’t like Hunters so SV becoming melee is both more in line with your personal preference and a cheap shot at the class you don’t like.
You’re the one repeating that Hunters are lazy and unskilled. If you’re going to attack people based on the difficulty level of the content they do then of course I’ll call you out on being a hypocrite. You stick to easy content while calling out others (including me, someone who’s cleared mythic SoD and did not purchase it) for wanting it easy. If you don’t want to be called out for being a hypocrite try being less of a hypocrite.
Funny you mention that given how often SV players call the “but arena!” card to defend melee SV as if being good in arena is a justification for SV being melee. In any case my argument that ranged SV was better is based on more important and objective matters than its numerical performance. Numerical performance is utterly irrelevant to me. It’s very relevant to SV apologists (see: all the bluster about how the 9.2 tier set being overtuned somehow makes melee SV a good idea), but I don’t care about it when it comes to a spec’s design. It’s easy to buff or nerf a spec. It’s hard to make a good design that people like. They’ve failed at doing that with melee Survival: both times.
Just to humour the discussion, though, here’s ranged SV being included in cutting edge PVE just 6 months before Legion’s announcement (do note that at the time this video was made SV was the most played spec in the entire game… how far we’ve fallen!):
What, we should be thankful that SV is a dying spec in a dying game? It takes some god-tier delusion to look at how SV and the game as a whole have turned out in the past 5 years and think “job well done!”.
Again with the “you guys are just lazy!” approach. Reminder: other people here have done hard content. You haven’t. You’re not in a position to call others out for being lazy.
All I’m hearing is “When Blizzard makes a bad decision you have the option to avoid it and work around their bad decision”.
The point is its representation is consistently low regardless of its performance. The presence of more than 0 players doesn’t make melee SV a good idea.
This just in, the entire point is that the spec is not popular. That’s the main reason why melee SV was such a bad idea. They replaced a popular spec with a niche spec. Grats on trying to be arrogant when you’re making a fool of yourself.
I don’t go around saying it doesn’t perform. Why would I do that? Survival performing well yet still being so avoided helps to prove my argument that melee Hunter is a bad idea and bad design. If SV performed badly the fanboys would just blame that for SV’s unpopularity. They still try to, in fact, but they have a lot less credibility when they do so.
You know a spec is doing well when the best defence you can come up for it is that it’s not literally played by 0 people
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Every single time you link that WoD garbage you make yourself look just a little more pathetic. This just in, a spec that’s doing a lot of damage will be played by a lot of people. Earth shattering revelation. One day you’ll grasp that not every spec in the game has to be played by the same amount of people to still be enjoyed.
MM and SV were essentially the same playstyle, and no amount of your revisionist history can change that simple fact. It’s been six years and you can’t stop whining about something from a video game. You have no room to ever refer to anyone as a clown given your mental instability over a spec.
p.s. it’s defense, not defence.
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Okay. And?
This still does not make what Malaka said any less true, what you then later said wasn’t so.
I’ve made no comment regarding its relative performance. I’ve never said that it isn’t good(and based that on how it doesn’t perform well). Like Bepples said, it’s easy to make a spec perform well, or not. Simply adjust the numbers accordingly. The main criticism isn’t regarding the numbers(performance), but instead, is about the popularity of the spec, or a lack thereof, DESPITE how it has seen multiple peaks in its relative performance level. The reason it’s unpopular amongst the hunter playerbase, isn’t because of low performance, it’s because of the core design, that being based on melee-combat.
First off, nice try on your attempt to establish a sense of superiority. Secondly, I didn’t. I wasn’t the one to post that initial argument to which you replied: “isn’t true”. That was Malaka. And thirdly, congrats on completely missing the point of said argument yet again.
So…how come current SV isn’t? Despite having done “a lot of damage” on multiple occasions, since it was first implemented in Legion.
No one here have said as much, if this is what you think, then clearly you aren’t actually reading any replies, or at the very least you don’t understand what’s being said/argued.
Show us how their respective playstyles were the same. I’ll wait…
Look up American vs. British spelling of the word.
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Even if they change SV to ranged, Beppe boy and Goro Goro will not play it unless it’s meta.
Best example was arcane mage in BFA. It a spec that has ups and downs. It was not played remotely close compared to frost or fire. But world first players had few arcane mages just because few certain mechanics. Same was with SV in WoD especially in Blackhand video. If you knew little bit the fight you would know how movement intensive that fight was. And for SV hunter it was easy to obtain good tier set bonus pre blackhand.
Again never the less, no one would play SV unless it outperforms other specs, even as ranged. Would probably have same amount of players
I played RSV continuously from WotLK up until the end of BRF in WoD, regardless of tuning/performance. Once again, you’re just wrong.
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