Cleave coded properly is deflected or misses, see sweeping strikes, cleave, and titanic throw. Cleaving abilities are not supposed to bypass turtle. The ones that bypass turtle generally have talents that increase the amount of targets cleaved onto, and the difference in coding messes up turtle somehow
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Dks have more grips then hunters have outs, the âbaby whiningâ is just reality.
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Double grips need a range nerf I wonât contest this, or the opposite that Range means no double grip. Chains of Ice probably needs to be looked at as a perma snare as well.
All this in service to the fact that I want FDK to have a major rework to be a modern spec.
Considering deleting that post because while I have issues with hunter toolkits being fairly vast in comparison the the frankly gimmick (if strong) stuff DK has, I wrote that post in a foul mood completely unrelated to WoW.
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why do you want that
Cause it could be played semi competently by a gorilla currently and the only reason I stick to it is I like the thematic of FDK.
I only want FDK to work so that I can play frost mage with it. Itâs a super chill comp when it works 
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40 yard range AND 2x charges of grip shouldnât exist. Unfortunately they are needed to contend with other mobility tools that are in the game currently that also shouldnât be (double time and stormbolt availability, mage blink cd, lock port cd. Double step).
Hunter toolkit doesnât do as much as people like to pretend it does as far as making it hard for the hunter to he hit.
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thereâs that real answer
why not play unholy dk and make a bunch of macros so that your actionbar is still blue instead of green?
Thatâs a pretty ridiculous way to address my issues with the spec considering summon an army of green zombies wonât really be changed.
I do not like UHDK and âplay the better specâ is never a good answer for these kinds of problems.
thatâs not even a little bit the actual gameplay unholy engages in outside of raid, and hasnât been for a long time
i think this is just silly
the correct advice to give you is âstop âlikingâ the bad specâ. you want fdk to receive an unspecified but complete rework that makes it operate in a way so different than it does now that the specific request canât even be spelled out, because you likeâŚsomethingâŚabout frost dk, that you presume would survive that rework forâŚsomeâŚreason
unholy hasnât even had army of the dead available in pvp until recently. now zombies are everywhere
hasnât the apoc mini army still worked? cuz if not, that would move the goalpost to defining unholy by something they do once every several minutes. you might as well say retâs identity is being in bubble
not with bargain. now even with bargain, zombies are coming out of the walls
blizz plsss give survival some love
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They could improve Survival by upping the ranged bonus of Lunge to 35 yards.
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