You’re overselling it. Show one example of the pet doing anything more than activating a cooldown for you to personally do more damage or the pet giving you personally more resource. If anything is a slave pet, it’s survival.
“Sounds like BM thinks they’re special and doesn’t want to share their toys “
Yeah, wanting to keep specs unique is such a bad thing. BM is pet focused, MM is archery, survival is melee and gadgets. Every post is “I feel” statements, bring something solid to back up your argument and we can get somewhere
I have. I have shown multiple abilities that require a pet to use.
I have shown thematic characters that already do what I request.
How about you BM hunters give an actual argument? Its been literally
“No 10/chars” every time.
A survivalist surviving with a t-rex or spirit beast has zero effect on BM’s class fantasy. At all. In fact many of the spirit beasts have a completely normal version anyway. So is BM class fantasy just having woowoo particle effects on their pet? Is BM class fantasy throwing a bunch of un named NPCs at a target? Great. I’m not taking anything away from you
Your slave comment is cute also. Show me a survival ability that forces a pet into a frezy or into a bestial wrath. BM is the true slave driver.
You make the argument its class fantasy and “unique” but then try and sell me on parses and numbers? Please… get out of here with your non argument.
Nomenclature does not equal pet synergy. It’s so we can differentiate Hunter melee abilities from warrior melee abilities.
There are only 3 (Kill command doesn’t attack with you, it attacks alone): Coordinated Assault, Spearhead, and Flanking Strike used 2mins (1min with talent), 1min, and 30secs respectively so simultaneous attacks happen rarely. Otherwise we have Mongoose, Wildfire Bomb, Explosive Shot, Kill Shot, Arcane Shot procs, Fury of the Eagle, Butchery. 3/10 does not equal “nearly every”
The lore heroes are intertwined with aspects of multiple specs. Kael’thas does Fire/Arcane, Thrall is Elemental and melees with Doomhammer as an enhance, etc.
All other posts are more “I feel” statements or “nuh uh you’re wrong” or word vomit. If the next reply doesn’t have anything meaningful to discuss this is my last response
And yet it does imply there is some sort of component. Otherwise known as “Class fantasy” and you’re free to interpret what “raptor strike” does however you like. The survival tree is simply… Littered with beast mastery talents based on class fantasy names alone.
I have already listed the pet synergy abilities. but ill hold your hand and spoon feed you since you don’t know survival i guess and are just here to ‘take your ball and go home’
I’ll save us the trouble of linking the obviously shared ones. Like kill command.
Now i have left out at least 5 or more talents that buff kill command itself. Adding various little bonuses. Enhancing that one ability alone. Dare I say strengthening the ‘spirit bond’ between hunter and companion? They very much attack with you here given you press it, and it makes them bleed, and your own abilities cooldown faster. Just splitting hairs there.
The Spirit Bond mastery ALONE should be all the grounds needed to form a bond with an exotic animal. We are not shackling it in chains.
And? Is there a point to this statement? They’re still figures used as CLASS FANTASY as you have said. I guess my fantasy of having an actually good pet to travel the world with is invalid becuase it steps on a BM’s toes?
The hero talent trees give this to both BM and Survival which does make kill command a coordinated attack, but also does the same thing for raptor/mongoose strike for survival. And with the synergy of the pack leader hero tree with Fury of the Eagle and Co-ordinated Assault, well those feed back into your kill commands which ARE now co-op attacks, which then reduce those longer CDs.
So yes the synergy is there, seemingly more than BM, who mostly just goes “HYAH HYAH, GO MY ZOO, TRAMPLE THEM”.
Also the tooltip for BM: “A master of the wild who can tame a wide variety of beasts to assist them in combat”
And then Survival: “An adaptive ranger who favors using explosives, animal venom, and coordinated attacks with their bonded beast”
Now I’m sure you’ll look at the BM text and go “SEE SEE, a wide variety of pets, case closed!”
But survival sells itself as being more actually in tune with their beast. How is a guy who just goes “my ONE MILLION PETS, go and ATTACK THAT THING” more deserving of “special” pets than the guy who actually fights side by side with his.
Also pets are so homogenized now that exotics being BM only is the equivalent of turning off certain skins because I decided to use a spear instead of a ranged weapon. Stupid, unnecessary, BM hunters already get to be ranged with full movement, bring DOUBLE pets not including all the extras you summon, and at the end of the day these are pets I ALREADY tamed, don’t take my toys away from me.
It’s not that deep. You’re saying because it’s named after animals it means pet synergy, read the tooltips of those abilities. Damage is solely from the Hunter. It’s for clarity, if you’re in PvP and get hit by raptor strike, you know it’s a Hunter.
Proceeded to link the same ones I mentioned, and this point is still disproven because there are more non-pet synergistic abilities. You said “nearly all abilities” which is false. If you want to count talents involving pets, there are 5x the amount of talents that don’t involve pets and modify the hunters gadgets.
You brought this up as a point, I’m showing why you can’t use it as a point because it’s shared between the specs.
The hero talent can’t be used as evidence because it’s shared between BM and Survival. The root of the discussion is OP is saying Survival has just as many if not more pet synergies than BM which is completely untrue and I’ve shown that in my previous replies. Lore arguments are open to interpretation so I’m mostly focusing on in game function and how it’s played
That’s what I’m talking about, if you see an exotic you know it’s from a BM Hunter. Spec uniqueness shouldn’t be taken away.
It’s the same synergy for both specs, the only difference is what ability activates it.
If you’re playing content with multiple hunters you wouldn’t be able to know what pets belong to who
stop trying to find a “gotcha” moment and comprehend what is said. “Sims and spreadsheets” doesn’t have anything to do with Raptor Strike having nothing to do with the pet. Exotics has been part of their identity and a unique trait for years. What reasoning should it be overturned other than “I want it”? You said SV has more synergy, it doesn’t. Some synergy doesn’t qualify enough reasoning to justify the change. The majority of the Hunter base is BM, Blizzard isn’t going to cater to you without a valid reason.
I know you’re from an ERP realm but use game design logic when wanting a change. Think why would this change make sense to a developer. Not asking for it because
It does. We proved it. You ignored it and dismissed it. Please go find another thread to troll. You have no argument besides “no”
Survival has more abilities directly related to or named after beasts
Survival actually spirit bonds with their pet
Survival has factually more synergy with their pet by default and more with hero talents
Survival class fantasy mascots are thematically more aligned.
Take your numbers and tooltips and make your own thread about BM
Litterally not stealing anything from BM. You can have your two pets still silly. I just want to be able to use the stable of pets i have. Imagine forming a spirit bond with a pet and not being able to use it because its a spirit beast
At this point you’re being blatantly disingenuous. You’ve proven nothing, read precious replies. All your counterpoints are “no you’re wrong” or redirection.
I’m sorry facts don’t care about your feelings. Try again when you have an actual foundation for wanting change
Nope go away. You lost all credibility and good faith when you made ad hominin attacks based on what server I’m on. Server who traditionally has higher numbers during off seasons and content droughts because we actually care about the stories in the game.
Go away, you provide nothing of value.
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