Yes, I did. I know what you didn’t explicitly state.
You can complain all you want, but when your post reads a certain way, don’t get mad when people read it that way.
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Yeah I’m not one pressed here nor am I the one reading into peoples post to incite things that weren’t said to further my own contrarian narrative. Thats all you bruh 
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Look, it’s you saying you don’t care then acting like people posting about it would somehow inconvenience or be a problem for you somehow.
So yeah, keep pretending you didn’t contradict yourself. Have a nice day.
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You as well, Byeeeeeeee 
He is one of my favorite characters. Also the creepiest when he feeds.
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I feel like survival is one of the most fun specs in the whole entire game and is criminally underrated
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agreed. One of my favorite specs in the game
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It not hard to understand why MSV is so under rated. They first of all do not bring and abilities that are unique from the two other Hunter specs, they all share about the same abilities and advantages. However, what BM and MM can do that MSV can not is use all of their abilities from range.
BM can bring consistent damage while not having the penalty of having to stop when they need to move out of melee range like MSV does. MSV has AotE to help when needed, but it has a cool down and if the fight requires a lot of movement that abilities will not all ways be ready. They can do some minor ranged damage, though the abilities are limited
Then you have a melee spec that is in sea of other melee options who are just as mobile, but also can bring other secondary abilities, like healing. It does not bring some of the utility and survivability that Rogues, Warriors and Demon Hunters do, but, in many cases, it can make up for this with its extremely high boss damage output.
Its not a numbers issue that drags back MSV as it is middle of the pack when it comes to damage, and is absolutely viable. They just do not have the perks that Beast Master has with pet abilities only available to that spec and since BM is fully mobile and plays like a ranged melee spec it doesn’t really have any downside.
Blizzard can tweak numbers all they want, but groups will bring the spec that offers more than DPS. Being melee is not enough of a distinction to separate MSV thier lack of things to bring to the table is what holds it back, there is nothing MSV brings that can’t be done and done better by other melee specs.
MSV just needs a hook that separates it from rest of the pack, bring in more range abilities may be just what it needs to give it a distinction from just being another melee spec. We will just have to wait and see if bring back those abilities to MSV give it a boost in popularity.
Main reason why SV numbers are so low is that BM is completely mobile without any downsides any other ranged faces
How many people were demanding melee Hunter again? Like, literally 10 people?
I’m sure everyone who plays the least played specs in the game thinks that about their specs.
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You know I was thinking about what mail wearing class to make for the expansion, and while I was thinking it over, I asked my GF what she thought. She told me she used to love playing her survival hunter, but once it was changed to melee she abandoned the class. I decided to look at some old videos from MOP, and wow, that RSV looked fun… Why did they change it?
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They’re idiots.
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Going into Legion they focused on making each spec feel unique and be original.
At the time, SV had no originality in it. It wasn’t unique. The spec was based around dot spells, but they all had the same thing. X dmg over Y seconds, no additional effect or purpose. It was really basic and the spec had barely any casting time. So when it came to create something unique and apart from MM, they saw some opportunities by following the primal hunter path… something that was closer to Rexxar in a certain way, something that brought back the old melee side of hunter in past ages.
Its was new, interesting and certainly unique. Though Legion’s version was not perfect it was still good. In BFA they made changes to have it more hybrid and I can say that was a success. Sadly its only issue atm are the numbers attached to it. Because its dps is not the #1 out of the 3 spec, people tend to hate any that plays it. Some raid leaders forces some players to go BM because of how much better numbers it can pull.
Could they have made changes to old survival to make it more interesting/unique? Certainly, though it would have been a version closer to what MM is now or something else that players hate. The pure instant cast style is all gone now, that probably the one aspect ppl miss from old SV. (And that old Affliction lock miss too)
The spec does well, but you’ll have some typical haters trying to trash to spec as usual… don’t mind them. Some players thinks it was a stupid change, but really they did a good one, it has lots of opportunities in it. New players and some old ones love it and a few old ones will keep hating on it.
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Based on what? A developer who may have or not actually spent some time playing old RSV?
So, Affliction Warlocks are nothing unique?
Rexxar was a BM hunter, so they should of went in that direction not a bomb throwing spear stabber.
Taking your own opinions does not make them facts.
Again using your own biases and passing them as facts.
You have not read a single word from anyone have you?
Numbers or could it be it could be I dont know that it has same utilty as MSV, but is range so does not have the disadvantages of a melee spec.
You do like to pass off your thoughts as the truth.
You just ignore everything posters have said and shove in you own.
I think you must be one of the most narcissistic posters I have read,you may even have Bepples tied for it.
It’s clear you have an inflated sense of your own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism, and this is why you just ignore all the feed back posters have given that way you can keep living a perfect world.
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Since you dont seem to know Warlock class, let me show you a base.
SV dots : Serpent Sting (dot), Explosive shot (short dot), black arrow(dot, can trigger LnL)
Warlock: Corruption (dot that generate ressource, synergy proc nightfall), Agony (Ramp up dot, pusnihed if you let it down), UA ( Curse dot, punished if dispelled)
Rexxar CLASS NAME in WARCRAFT 3 RTS GAME was called Beastmaster, yes. Keyword, class name. Now, different game came in… Vanilla proved talent trees but the game was still based on “classes” not specs. Later specs became more of a thing to focus, tree names were the specs. Had the current BM tree got a different name and current SV got BM as its name, no one would say anything because of a CLASS name Rexxar had in wc3.
Note that in WoW, Rexxar is a Survival Hunter. Different game, not same class/spec design and name.
The words of the devs, of players enjoying it, of myself… they are facts yea.
You havent raided past LFR or in a serious guild have you?
You like to not use logic and just purely hate don’t you?
You’re replying to spread some hate on a conversation that doesn’t have “You” in it.
It’s clear you’re here to just troll and hate it seems. I’ll give you some love and add you with the Angry Level 58 Dk-Hunter to the ignore list.
I have to disagree about it not being unique. As an outside observer it seemed to have a theme of using abilities from beasts for dots, or using beasts as a short summon (murder of crows.) I wonder if Blizzard was wondering what kind of weapon to use for the artifact. Why not a crossbow? Anyways, hunters could use a 4th spec in my opinion.
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What you don’t seem to realize is that Rexxar was considered a BM hunter right up until the wanted to make survival melee. All of sudden the last 10+ years of calling Rexxar a BM hunter just magically disappeared and didn’t matter. He was now a Survival hunter to make it match the disaster that Blizzard turned survival into.
Rexxas was Ret-conned into survival hunter and players like you bought into it. You are wrong. I don’t say that often and prefer to help others learn but you don’t have any interest in that. You are 100% wrong on Rexxar and what he was.
You are also wrong on how Survival played before it was deleted and turned into melee. It was NOT the same play style as MM or BM. I keep seeing people say this but they clearly did not play hunter before the change. It was a pretty awesome trifecta of playstyles. MM was the sniper, big hitting spec. BM was the rely on a pet spec. Survival was the consistent, DoT based spec that had better traps and was built around dots and procs. None of these 3 played the same. They shared a few abilities but their main rotations were drastically different in shots and play style. To say that they were the same clearly shows that you have NO idea that they were. Any hunter that played before Legion can tell just how different these 3 specs were.
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That is all 3 specs of the hunter. What you describe are talents that was available… not unique to SV hunter.
Because his CLASS NAME was Beast Master in WC3 so they kept it like so not to confuse people, which was later changed to fit more current WoW so that less new players comes in wondering why something called Beast master is going melee.
You didn’t read. Yes very similar they were, change MM skill set to dot instead of flat dmg… and it turns out to be same. SV had dots that didn’t mean anything, that was random without any real synergy. The trap buff was one of the unique thing of it, which they have kept in Legion but got rid of in BFA. The other unique thing was that it was all instant cast and no need for casting anything… probably the one thing ol SV truly miss from it and not the lazy design behind it.
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I sure see the word “dot” used a lot for both specs, but they work in different ways so they have nothing at all in common right?
Rexxar was labeled as a BM hunter until Legion, which they had to change to keep the lore in check. Bm is a class in Warcaft but is a spec in WoW then Rexxar is not a hunter as he is based on a class that is only in Warcraft.
But when Ion or other posters say how it is a niche spec with few players they are all just haters and non of that is true. This is just more examples of you taking what you want to push as truth cause it helps your own cause.
Question this even when MSV was one of the top DPS in Nighthold it still was seen very rarely? Why take a melee spec that has no utility that all other melee classes have? Why take a spec that has all benefits that a hunter brings, but does not have to run out of fire? Using a small gap in dps is not a answer it is just and excuse.
This is not hate this is just me arguing with you faults in you logic.
Anyone who contradicts you is just spreading "hate’ by your definition. You hate opposition and do not like to be challenge cause you can only one view of a argument.
Okay bye then.
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It felt like Blizzard was trying something in Legion, but when BfA came they just gave up and decided to make it hybrid of range and melee mixed in with BM abilities.
Using your pet to apply a bleeds is nice idea, and if they did not butcher MoC that would be nice option too. Blizzard should just keep the concept of old RSV, being elemental and dot damage, and have you apply them if a melee attack.
We ask that same question.
There are many who just simply ask for RSV to be a fourth spec option, but too many MSV just want to crush that idea as not possible. There not asking for the death of one spec for another just chance to have what they lost back.
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