Cause Ranged Survival was the most popular hunter spec until it got trashed. And the current Melee Survival is already literally melee BM.
Truthfully though, they should keep the current MSV for the few fans who enjoy it. But they 100% absolutely should bring back RSV(personally, I preferred MoP’s iteration the best) as a fourth spec.
You sound like a miserable person. I simply stated an idea that I liked, and even said it would be a ton of work (which would imply it will never happen). I’m not making a suggestion. I was simply making a comment to someone else based on something they said, and you took it upon yourself to make sure I, and everyone else knew that you think it’s a stupid idea. You’re a pathetic person just looking to bring strangers on the internet down. Maybe next time, when there is absolutely no need to comment negatively, you just S T F U.
My favorite divisive topic that will never die. I’ll throw in my 2 cents again. I hate melee survival. Like, as an idea, from a conceptual standpoint. There is nothing blizzard can ever do that will ever make me play it, no matter what they call it or what tree they butcher to shoehorn it in. It’s not why I picked the class. I picked the class to stand in the back and go pew pew, not run up to something and go, https://www.wowhead.com/sound=1263/humanmaleaggroa
It is so strange to me how melee survival has abilities that are clearly bm inspired
It is, but it’s, IMO, kind of ironic, MSV defenders, at least some, constantly push the narrative that RSV was so much like MM, yet now MSV use abilities lifted directly from BM but yet it’s somehow more unique.
Is someone trying to bring a Drizzt character into wow? lol thats the first thing i thought of when i read… bm as a dual weilding melee spec.
Honestly, that is my single biggest gripe about MSV. Blizzard claimed “RSV was too similar to MM” despite one being literally a mobile rot spec while the other was a hard hitting turret spec. Only for them to turn around and design MSV in such a way that it quire literally is a melee version of BM. Even stealing some of BM’s abilities/passives. MSV as of now has no identity other than “Basically melee BM, with bombs”.
The old RSV had far more identity and was routinely the most popular hunter spec, even during tiers it wasn’t performing the best. Up until they trashed its damage in the final patch of WoD so that it was below tanks.
I know some people genuinely enjoy MSV, but that is a very niche group. Which Blizzard also admitted they knew this would happen. Yet they still chose to spit on the faces of the Hunter community. So, fine, keep MSV for its 1% or whatever. But RSV in one of its better iterations as a 4th spec should happen. For some people this may be WotLK, for others like myself it could be MoP. Though even WoD’s iteration wasn’t bad.
Talents back then were different. BM’s tree focused mostly on the pet itself. While MM’s focused on the player. And SV’s talents were designed to improve your ability to survive in melee situations. Improved Wing Clip(made it root, for example), so you could get back to ranged.
I agree though. Most of us made hunters for the “Ranged with pet” thematic. I will also admit though, that BM itself would’ve been the perfect candidate for a melee option(given the Rexxar thematic). It could literally have been a first row talent. Kill Command stays the same. Cobra Shot becomes Raptor Strike. Concussive Shot becomes Wing Clip. Multi Shot becomes Carve. Kill Shot could’ve become a functionally identical move for melee, name it Impale or something. (To not take Warriors Execute0. Functionally, ranged BM and melee BM would play the same in that situation, would just offer two thematics to cater to more people.
If this had been done, RSV could’ve been left alone as the mobile consistent rot damage spec. While MM would remain the hard hitting turret spec. And then BM had a ranged and melee option to cater to people who wanted to go for that opening cinematic thematic of the dwarf with his gun and bear, or a more WC3 Rexxar thematic of being melee.
But I digress. I really hope they bring back RSV. one day, hopefully sooner rather than later.
I agree with the OP. Ive always felt that BM should have been the melee spec for Hunters. It just makes sense that you fight alongside your Pet buddy.
BM should be a dual wielding melee spec like Rexxar the OG beastmaster and survival should be made a mail tank, it’s even in the name!!
I was someone who refused to use melee survival after the change because of the mindset a number of others seem to have that ‘hunters are a ranged class, not melee’, but I also had no interest in ranged surval either.
It wasn’t until I was poked repeatedly to give it a try somewhere around the end of Legion/somewhere in BFA that I did try it, and found I loved it, and after have only played the new melee survival on my hunter since then, as I just enjoy it too much.
I do hope that a 4th spec is added sometime so those that wanted the old ranged survival can have that playstyle back to enjoy, and not at the cost of the unique and fun playstyle that is current melee survival.
That sounds like a scary tank to heal. “Well, he’s surviving,” lol.
Just think about it. I’d give hunters far more respect if they were bagging that 12 point with a friggin axe, Haha. I actually see it more like assassin’s creed, dropping down on the free from a tree with a knife. I guess 2 knives would be ok based on this thread.
Like I said, you can have 100% uptime in your abilities if you do it right. Aspect of the eagle literally lets you do this. It’s CD is short enough it’s up whenever you need it. Just let people have something they enjoy man. I KNOW what blizzard did when they changed survival; honestly, it should have been a 4th spec if they wanted it that badly. I do hope they bring back ranged but not at the cost of my main. That’s kinda the same thing that happened a while back right? Why let it happen again.
How about we go back to how things were in Wotlk and let hunters use ranged and melee. Or maybe just like Cata where they could use 2handers and ranged in all specs.
Give rogues the throwing ability back, I don’t see why a hunter should ever primarily resort to throwing weapons like the troll axe throwers that are borderline useless in every scenario. Blizzard broke a system that didn’t need to be broken.
Give hunters the druid treatment: 4 specs
Marksman
Beast Mastery
Dark Ranger (shadow themed old survival)
Feral (current survival with a less goofy name)
Leave Survival alone! :(
I like being a bomb-chuckin’ waste of good scotch that harpoons people to beat 'em with a stick.
How bout no!
why not make survival the one spec that uses both a ranged weapon and melee weapon like hunters did back in the day
also let them dual wield melee weapons again
Leave BM alone, give current SV it’s own spec and give us back the real SV ranged spec back.
survival doesn’t natively have any passives other than it’s mastery now, js