Not understanding your being argumentative and non constructive, seemingly for the sake of “i’m right, you’re wrong”, everything you list here that rogue has and hunter doesn’t, is rune based.
You’d have to be a bit silly tothink they can’t just add another rune, geared toward 2h, adding the 6% crit reduction and tagging extra functionality to other melee runes entirely dependant of the tank rune being on…you know, like they should of had the sense to do with eay of earth.
At 1 point you were talking about mm hunter having wyvern sting, which is just full of question marks.
It is completely feasible, you just don’t like it apparently.
DISENGAGE, currently melee range threat drop like feint, easy taunt convert right there.
Mongoose still requires you to dodge, makes sense to add high threat mod to it for this.
Traps with entrapment should be fairly awsome for keeping packs together and potentially cc’ing runners.
Deterrence is a decent cd for avoidance tanking.
They didn’t go with the wow alpha idea of bucklers for rogue/hunter tanking, so we are stuck with avoidance, however much you feel that makes us to samey. Not sure how that’s an issue tbh.
So I specced into defensive SV in DPS gear with lion, monkey and catlike reflexes just to have a look at my defensive stats:
3819 health
2650 armor (36,3% DR)
51% dodge
9,68% parry
On top of that we have a powerful defensive CD.
PS: lightning reflexes adds roughly 2% dodge and 75 armor with my current gear. While it’s not amazing it’s definitely much better than spirit bond and will scale better with lvl 60 gear.
Because rogue tank has more than just a single rune to support it - dumping all that power of 4 runes into one creates a lot of issues. Most notably, it makes that one rune very strong compared to the others.
At this point I’d have to question if you understood the points I made. I never said MM would have wyvern sting. I pointed out that if all the power was in the rune, and that rune wasn’t tied to a deep SV talent, then you could go 16 pts into SV for all the mitigation and lose essentially nothing.
It would be better if the rune was tied to wyvern sting, if anything, as it would force a heavy investment into the talent tree.
Disengage could also be a taunt, though Distracting Shot fills a similar niche.
Entrapment would be OK for trash, but trash is the least important kind of tanking. Entrapment would be worthless on bosses, which are immune and shouldn’t be moving more than mechanics require.
Because flavour and substance matter. Rogue plays and feels like a nimble fencer, parrying and dodging. Bear Druids feel like the big bears - bulky and tough to knock down. Warriors like the masters of combat, debuffing and with a big toolkit to address nearly every issue. Paladins are sticky thorns, built around punishing those who attack them.
Hunter may have some talents good for tanking, but I have yet to hear a compelling reason as to what fits them stepping into that role. Especially when the “nimble and agile” vibe is so perfectly captured via the rogue.
Is it vital? Probably not, but classes need identity to retain appeal otherwise they become bland.
They could make mongoose bite increase the hunters armor by 150% of his agility stacking up to 3 times or something like that, which would put our armor value near plate values as a ramping armor buff.
Hunters really wouldnt need block considering they can hit near 60% avoidance.
That doesn’t make any sense. They aren’t trying to change the talent trees (Era client etc…), they are trying to give us a reason to invest into deep survival.
Adding a tank rune wouldn’t affect you in the slightest while giving hunters a reason to invest in SV. You can still play it in PvP or PvE if you want. It’s just not very good in PvE because of how it was designed in vanilla.
It’s SoD, I was REALLY hoping that hunters would get some kind of cool-nifty gimmicky treatment of a new role or type of damage. Instead, we get Classified Retail Survival Hunter and BM. MM is forgotten at this point.
We need either a tank spec to be thrown into the mix as it has EVERYTHING we need for tank, just buff us up and boom we’re ready. I’m already pulling threat off of the tanks
After 20 years of playing a hunter, and always wanting melee survival to be a thing, I think it would be dumb to finally see survival get something cool and for it be a tank spec. I mean there are like 6 other tank classes, including ones you can use a 2 hander with and are evasion based. Adding one or two runes to hunters would not make an exciting tank spec. That all said, it would be a great way to make 2 handed weapons valuable for a melee hunter, so I mean Ashkandi is back on the menu boys.
these are just your opinion. and i disagree with you on them. The facts are that tanking talents and cooldowns exist in the Surv tree and making it a tank spec would ensure that you dont kill another one of hunter’s dps specs.
Survival is a 2 handed melee dps on retail since Legion, just saying. And you can already play melee hunter on SoD.
A hunter tank however has never been fully explored and it’s the only class that didn’t have a second role in SoD. Plus it doesn’t need much, just the classic tanking package on a rune and it’s good to go.
becuase 20 years of blizzard history has shown us that, when it comes to 3 dps spec’d classes, there will always be 1 bis spec, 1 niche spec, and 1 dead spec.
right now bis is Melee BM, Niche is MM for TSA, and dead is surv. If you revive surv, youll just make BM dead. or if they rework TSA, itll just kill MM’s niche.
EDIT: Past me forgets to say: This rune would block the use of pets. I know…I know. But I feel like having a Hunter that can tank via a RUNE and then can spec into BM all the way. Would be way too broken in both PVE and especially in PVP.
Um no with a 2 had and trap build survival does just fine a slow weapon makes rs truck. With added damage from traps
Pluse sv gets more utility. Its fine the way it is . The problem is people doing what giga sweaty chads tell them to do instead of figuring it out on their own. Especially in pvp i lol dw hunters when 1 trzp immobal8ze tgen and i watch them die to fire or 1 big rs ftom my polearm. Dont change somthing thats not broken. People just need to learn to think for them selves