Personally, I don’t mind if dual spec is added or not to the game. While I think a recreation of an older game should be authentic as possible to the source material we’ve already crossed that line by adding in features that weren’t available in the original TBC and thus I’m not going to be upset if Dual Spec being added becomes one of those features. (Even though I’m a DPS main and don’t desire to tank/heal.)
My question to everyone is “What’s next?” There seems to always be requests to change/add something to a product that was supposed to be faithful recreation. Do we stop asking for changes if Dual Spec is added or do we keep going, asking for Transmog, War Mode, LFD/LFR, etc. Where do we draw the line in the sand and collectively say “No more changes.”?
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Waaah I’m a no changes andy and I dont want any changes!
Grow up already. Dual spec gives our toons more freedom to play whatever we want. Are you against that? THATS OK, you have your reasons I believe, but whining about some changes is dumb.
Dual spec is good in any sense, NO GUILD will mandatory ask you to play 2 specs, unless you’re in a super sweaty guild that speedruns and stuff, and I’m pretty sure you are not in that type of guild. Transmog is a cool feature, how’s that any bad for the game? Not seeing your oponent’s gear in world pvp / bgs? Are you really telling me that your first priority while doing pvp is to inspect your enemy and then fight? Eh…
War mode? No one asked that. LFD/LFR? I didnt see any single post asking for those features, only troll ones, and you can tell FOR SURE when its a troll one or not. Give me a break.
Your “no changes” boat is sunk, get over it, no changes is, was and will be awful. We need some changes. Dual spec is really good, transmog I bet no one cares, but if implemented is a +, not adding it isnt a - . The other ones are just your invention.
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I sincerely fail to understand why you insinuate people who want to play the old version of the game are crying / babies. But yet, there exists retail with the changes you prefer and you folks come here and advocate for changes to the game we want to play. Then you say we’re crying about it. I seriously have no idea how you can’t find the irony in this.
Retail has all of these features, why don’t you play that instead of trying to change the game we love?
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I’m fairly certain you only read the topic title and last two sentences lol.
As outlined in the VERY first sentence, I do not mind if Dual Spec is added. While I prefer re-releases of games to be authentic as possible I cannot deny the advantages Dual Spec brings which is why I’m not against it and could care less if it is or isn’t implemented.
People by nature always crave more than what they have. I’m just asking what is the next thing to be asked for on the forums.
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The no crowd change are the whiners and yet it is scrubbies like you who constantly cry that the game needs to be changed so that you’re able to cope?
Yeah, great logic.
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Your ability to whine endlessly- and then insist the other people are the real whiners- is remarkable.
But do go on about how ITS NOT FAIR THE NO CHANGERS ARE STOPPING DUAL SPEC WAAAAAAAAH
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There will never be an end to bandwagoners requesting changes. They’ve opened the floodgates with giving retail players a boost to get them to play TBC classic. Now they’re here expect the tourists to have a whole shopping list of changes from failed retail game design they want to see.
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Nowhere. People are going to continue voicing their own opinions. There are far too many people who play this game for there to be community-wide agreement.
This is literally their business model. Force a couple changes into the game and suddenly everyone is okay with more and more changes until we’re playing Retail 2.0. People either need to grow a spine and stop descending deeper into complacency or go play Retail where this cancerous complacency isn’t going to lead us down that same path a second time.
In a slippery slope argument, a course of action is rejected because, with little or no evidence, one insists that it will lead to a chain reaction resulting in an undesirable end or ends. The slippery slope involves an acceptance of a succession of events without direct evidence that this course of events will happen.
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The slippery slope fallacy is wrong here. We seen changes move along that brought us closer to retail. Much like whataboutism, slippery slope fallacy is often used as a means to dismiss an argument even when there is merit. It’s just gaslighting at this point.
That being said I’d love transmog.
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I just want the WOTLK target dummies in cities… Thats all. Keep the rest, lol…
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Automatically dismount me when I click on a flightpath.
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Hence the question where do we draw the line. If everyone was ok with all changes then we’d all be playing retail or playing no change pservers. Yet here we are meaning that we’re ok with some changes.
Why are you so worried about what’s next and worry about minor tweaks that might actually benefit the game? Look at some changes blizzard literally just made on the ptr. Are you worried about what’s next after you heard of them? You shouldn’t. Just judge each change independently and judge for yourself whether one is worth it or not.
The line should’ve been drawn the instant there was any talk about boosts and character copy fees. This spineless community will lay down and open their wallets for any stupid thing this company advertises to them. We spent more than a decade begging Blizzard to honor the community and give us the original experience back while we watched in horror as today’s Retail was being formed. Look where we’re at now. An “authentic experience” feels like a pipedream at this point.
“You think you do, but you don’t” and otherwise radio silence from Blizzard for years took it’s toll on the few who were left, and now the community seems to be overwhelmingly made up of Retail tourists who are bored with that soulless content treadmill, so they came to destroy Classic. After all is said and done, we’ll all be left with no Retail and dead Classic because this awful community knowingly let itself be exploited at every turn. We simply can’t or won’t exercise simple reasoning or foresight when all the cash shop services are rolled in on a silver platter.
I have no doubt that BCC will be a fun experience the whole way through, but it’s becoming more and more apparent to me that this game has no future. That’s really sad to me, because I had initially hoped that old WoW would be immortalized in Classic. They shoehorned the boosts and that stupid collector’s edition into the game even in spite of all the controversy and straight up disregarded the promises they made to us, and I assume it was all because they know that Wrath is going to attract the most people. I know I sound like a doomsayer, but mark my words, Wrath will be the end of Classic. Either because no one is interested in replaying the expansions that paved the way to modern Retail, or because the disgusting monetizations they force into Wrath will bring Classic to new levels of bastardization.
Many of us feel like TBCC is basically a “Wrath waiting room”, and I think that sentiment is the same for Blizzard. I genuinely think it’s too late for drawing lines – They pushed all of this as far as they felt they could to determine how much and how explicitly they’ll be able to exploit the people who will all abandon BC and head straight into Wrath. They essentially killed Vanilla Classic with the ridiculous fee for copying your character. I figure they’ll do something similarly awful that will kill BC as we move into Wrath. And then we’re a captive audience in that content.
I really hope I’m wrong, but I think that Wrath Classic’s business model will resemble Retail’s much more than anyone is really prepared for. This community is awful and pre-Activision Blizzard is rolling in it’s desecrated grave. This isn’t so much the time to talk about where to draw lines as it’s time to reap what we’ve sown as a community.
Built in equipment manager.
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There’s like three dual spec threads right now in the top 20 topics, and I think all of them have people advocating for dual spec due to boosts and mounts already being implemented.
I agree, the fallacy is a false claim here.
This is a forum… the point is to talk about things. You’re getting on someone’s case for wanting to… communicate with people.
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And I’m communicating with them. I’m not telling him to stop communicating I’m telling him it’s silly to look at a change and consider shutting it down because there may be a potential bad change after that. Judge the change itself on its own merit, if the discussion is about a bad change, then be against that change specifically. Not a tough concept
we dont, at that point its over
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