Suggestion: No Flying Mode

[Lovelight-sargeras (Lovelight)]

The whole game is rewards for doing something.

You guys think being on the ground is such a “waste of time” or “an unnecessary slog through countless mobs we have killed before”, wouldn’t something like a % increase to quest rewards make sense?

You do dungeons for the umpteenth time for fun right? Not for the reward?

All that aside, please re-read what people write when they explain to you how the game feels when you choose to stay grounded and people around you are flying.

I like the game on the ground, and I would think you would agree with me that an optional no flying mode (like warmode) would allow people to choose to play how they want, right?

Or are you so bitter that you only want what you want, and can’t allow for other people to want what they want?

[Illidette-hyjal (Illidette)]

Flying and the majority of quality of life improvements added to the game over time ruin World of Warcraft for alot of players.

It’s the reason Classic has been so successful.

Reported as spam and trolling, but I’ll bite.

No.

Flying made the game better. Fact. The most successful time during WoW’s history has been BC and WotLK. Two expansions that embraced flying and even had content designed around it. Fact.

Classic is already dying too. It’s hype train is almost out of gas and is on the verge of running on fumes as we speak. Classic was a nostalgia trip for most, hyped due to streamers for others, etc… But considering how fast the population in Classic is dwindling, I’d hardly call that successful. Hell, I already know guilds on Old Blanchy that are falling apart and disbanding due to lack of interest and lack of people logging on.

Another solution could be to make No Flying mode only available when in Warmode or to bake it into Warmode, since flying negatively affects Warmode anyways

Ah, so you died in warmode and the person who killed you flew away and as a result your britches got all twisted huh?

Regardless, you didn’t try to force this idea on everyone, hence the “toggle for No flying Mode”. so I’ll give you some props. But honestly, why do all you flying haters lack the self control to just not fly? IF it ruins the game for you, if it ruins your immersion, just don’t fly. Why is that such a hard concept?

Edit:

The fact that so many people are playing classic and prefer it over retail makes it a more than reasonable assumption. Subscription numbers have also gradually tanked following the addition of these things.

LMAO. Even with BFA being lackluster, the amount of people playing Retail dwarfs the amount playing Classic. And you are willfully ignorant if you think Classic isn’t already dying, Like I said, the Classic hype train is basically running on fumes, which is why with each passing day you get more and more people back into retail or posting on these forums why they’ve quit Classic.

But to say Classic is more popular than Retail, that’s downright laughable.

[Icescreamy-bloodsail-buccaneers]

It’d be very easy to post a survey here asking if people would prefer modern wow with or without LFG/LFG and flying. There’s no need because he’s correct, there’s a lot of players who don’t like those quality of life changes.

And the “data” would be meaningless. The forums are not a scientific sample.

I think no-flying realms should be available for players who insist they want them. Choosing to gimp yourself in that way, or any way, for that matter, should not give a financial bonus.

I also think flight should be free to each character after completing a brief and relevant questline.

[Maddof-illidan]

If blizz offered free transfers to a no-fly server, I wonder how many would accept it. (But you need to pay for your return trip) Not many I’m guessing.

[Icescreamy-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I doubt they would even fill a single server.

[anon58221758]

ruin World of Warcraft for alot of players.

Using the term majority of players means nothing since we don’t and, unless Blizzard run a mandatory survey, will never know what the majority is.

I never said majority of players, you did. That being your premise, it invalidates your entire post.

Having said that, alot of players don’t:

Play Human
Play Night Elf
Play Dwarf
Play Gnome
Play Worgen
Play Draenai
Play Lightforged Draenai
Play Dark Iron Dwarf
Play Void Elf
Play Kul Tiran
Play Orc
Play Troll
Play Tauren
Play Undead
Play Goblin
Play Blood Elf
Play Mag’har
Play Highmountain Tauren
Play Zandalari
Play Nightborne
Play Pandaren
Play Warrior
Play Rogue
Play Mage
Play Priest
Play Alliance
Play Horde
Pet Battle
Fish
Cook
Archaeology
World Event
Heroic Raid
Mythic Raid
Mythic Dungeon (beyond quest requirement)
Mythic+
Rated 2v2 Arena
Rated 3v3 Arena
Rated Battleground
etc…

Should we just remove it all from the game?

Should Blizzard poll subscribers when they log in until most subscribers are polled, ask them if they want any of the above removed from the game and then act on that?

The no flying crowd here: Give us prizes to make up for our lack of free will and self-determination because we refuse to play the game the way we think is best if we’re the only ones doing it.

I personally would not like to be able to clip through walls, but let’s suppose we can unlock an achievement and clip through walls.

If I participate I no longer enjoy the game because physical barriers become irrelevant and the game feels dumbed down.

If I abstain from wall-clipping then I fall behind the curve, I cannot keep up with groups that are wall-clipping, I cannot compete, the game becomes a wasted effort.

Flying in World of Warcraft is glorified clipping.

I am not asking that you be grounded.

I am asking that players such as myself are given the realistic option to opt out and be compensated for the lost of efficiency, only insofar as necessary to bring me to a level playing ground with the flying population.

Flying crowd here: “Do not reward no flying mode because we’d get jealous of the people who use it”

Exactly.

No objective rational argument.

Just a mob setting everything on fire and beating up any who dare express some non-preapproved tautology.

[Garsto-herod]

What’s funny is I’m posting on my Classic toon, so if I object to flying lots of people’s automatic response is “go play classic lul”, “classic is that way lul” or “stay in classic noob lul”.

I play retail as well guys. I enjoy both games. I know that’s hard to comprehend. Just because I’m a fan of classic doesn’t mean I hate retail. I just feel flying could be removed and the game would be better for it, that’s all.

[Rollo-thunderhorn (Rollo)]

You guys think being on the ground is such a “waste of time” or “an unnecessary slog through countless mobs we have killed before”, wouldn’t something like a % increase to quest rewards make sense?

There are ways to do this already if I felt it made sense. Heirlooms, purchaseable XP buffs, rested XP, etc.

You do dungeons for the umpteenth time for fun right? Not for the reward?

I find it very easy to not do dungeons for the rewards. I accept I will not have the nicest gear and other rewards by opting out of that content. That’s part of deciding what is best for you and following a path that might stray from the herd: You have to accept your choices have costs.

All that aside, please re-read what people write when they explain to you how the game feels when you choose to stay grounded and people around you are flying.

We had a flightless WoD. The problems I’ve seen many no-flyers want flight restrictions to address - world PVP opportunities, general world populating (i.e. seeing other people out and about), resource competition, etc. - were not fixed by simply turning flight off.

I like the game on the ground, and I would think you would agree with me that an optional no flying mode (like warmode) would allow people to choose to play how they want, right?

Or are you so bitter that you only want what you want, and can’t allow for other people to want what they want?

I am just fine with you choosing not to fly right now. Play how you want. I voluntarily ground myself at random intervals when I feel like it. A change of pace is nice.

However, the flightless world should be its own reward.

[Nayaga-lightbringer (Nayaga)]

Flying and the majority of quality of life improvements added to the game over time ruin World of Warcraft for alot of players.

No problem then, don’t use your flying mounts!

[Nayaga-lightbringer (Nayaga)]

I just feel flying could be removed and the game would be better for it, that’s all.

I feel flying should not be removed and the game is better with flying., that’s all.

[Rakham-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I’ve said it before. People who don’t want flying don’t want you to have flying either. It’s not enough that they just don’t use their flying mounts no one can use flying mounts. If someone else flies past them they will still feel salty.

[Rollo-thunderhorn (Rollo)]

I am asking that players such as myself are given the realistic option to opt out and be compensated for the lost of efficiency, only insofar as necessary to bring me to a level playing ground with the flying population.

No one is entitled to a level playing field. A perk of bonus XP is no guarantee of being competitive.

[Roninkaru-bloodhoof (Roninkaru)]

If your wanting this, then it’s only fair that other perks be given to on the other side, other than flight.

[Elaice-blades-edge (Elaice)]

There’s already a “no flying” mode. It’s you choosing not to fly.

Horrible argument, and has been horrible for over a decade.

[Icescreamy-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I am asking that players such as myself are given the realistic option to opt out and be compensated for the lost of efficiency, only insofar as necessary to bring me to a level playing ground with the flying population.

If there was actually demand for no-flight servers, then they should create one with flight disabled and leave it up to you to decide how to play the content.

There is no reason why Blizzard should come up with a long list of ways a person can gimp their playstyle, unique worlds that enforce that every possible combination of such gimps on every player there, and scaled rewards for refusing to use those game features based on the gimpage menu of that particular world.

You’re aware, right, that actually imposing inflation on a world in order to guarantee yourself more free loot will result in no advantage to the players there.

In any case, there was never any demand for removal of flight outside of the ganking crowd until after devs tried to remove it during wod.

There actually are probably more players that would be okay with removal of flight than ever before, because extended restriction of flight and imposition of pathfinders have resulted in many players leaving forever.

However, most players who would be okay with it are the ones who never really go out in the world. They’d also be okay with not losing flight.

I just feel flying could be removed and the game would be better for it, that’s all.

And most people think if flight were removed the game would be far worse for it. If you include the ones who left over the issue over the years, you’re a tiny minority.

And beyond that…

The reason you’re posting on a classic toon is so we can’t take a look at your armory and see how many mounts you have worked to earn.

[Lovelight-sargeras (Lovelight)]

Guys, no flight servers is a non starter.

We had PvP and pve servers since the start of the game, and they switched to having just “servers” and you toggle on/off warmode.

Why do you think people will want to up and leave the servers they have been playing on, or the guilds and friends they have on their server?

People who started on PvP servers but over time didn’t want to PvP anymore may have stayed on their PvP server because they were established there.

[Lancers-area-52]

Flying and the majority of quality of life improvements added to the game over time ruin World of Warcraft for alot of players.

Opinion not fact.

It’s the reason Classic has been so successful.

no not really. Sorry friend.

The argument against No Flying Mode would be that it would lead to even more sharding between players playing different modes. But if a No Flying Mode is something that players would not enjoy and do not want, then those with that argument have nothing to fear, because the No Flying Mode shards would be depopulated

In theory true but no proof. I don’t think it would really change much.

OP I think you overestimate how many people don’t want flying. Rather implement a mode that not a lot of people would use. Go play Classic or just don’t use a flying mount yourself no one is stopping you.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

WoW subs spiked 223% when classic released.

I love how people make stuff up and use it as fact.

Retail has issues with the way the game is treated by developers

Yes, because they’re stubbornly clinging to things that make no sense. Like no flying.

different difficulties, catchup systems every patch, and worst of all is world quests

So in other words, “I don’t like these things, which means they’re factually bad for the game.” That’s not how opinions work.

classic is better than WoW for a myriad of reasons

Purely subjective. You have no argument.

An article that shows the information, and a link to where they got their information

1. Your beloved “proof” even states, “The amount of players is still lower than what they were during last August’s Battle for Azeroth expansion.”

2. Your “proof” is based off of “point-of-sale and event data from publishers, developers, and payment service providers,” not actual facts from Blizzard. Attempting to say “these subscriptions went solely to Classic” isn’t possible. So it’s assumption.

I’m so sick of this “classic is god, retail is trash” mentality. Not to mention, even BC embraced flying and had content specific to it.

Whats the fun in logging in to do world quests or do another M+.

Because it’s what some actually enjoy. Shocking, I know.

Why? Because you said? Because you like it?

Because it worked great in BC and can be expanded upon to actually add more content to the game. Because Pathfinder has made a crap ton of people quit the game. Because you can’t take out what’s already a part of it and expect not to kill off the rest of your playerbase. Because the playerbase doesn’t need split up any more than it already has been by Classic crap. Because the game isn’t even designed for solely ground play and can’t be accessed in some areas of at least two expansions by ground mounts.

Try reading this and having an ounce of understanding:

Look, Classic isn’t successful because it doesn’t have flying. Anyone who told you that is an idiot. Especially if you told yourself that. Classic is successful because of equal parts nostalgia, challenging gameplay, and class design meshing with class fantasy.

World PvP died with battlegrounds in vanilla, except for events (“Hey guys, let’s go raid Stormwind!”) or ganking. Flying eliminates ganking. While it is true that not being able to gank lowbies ruins the game for a percentage of the population, is that group really one to cater to?

Even on Normal servers, PvP still happened in BC and WotLK. But the people who wanted to do it went to battlegrounds and sites like the towers around Auchindun. Or they got a bunch of people together to go raid an enemy faction city and burn it to the ground.

Flying didn’t change that. What changed was the way classes were gutted, and you lost the class fantasy aspect of things, in the name of balance, as everything had to be perfectly balanced for arenas and raiding.

Furthermore, they tried doing an expansion without flying. It was called Warlords of Draenor, and it was godawful. Then, after the backlash, they put in Pathfinder, which, frankly, just feels petty and vindictive.

Blizzard should embrace flying, as they did with zones like Blade’s Edge Mountains or Netherstorm in BC, or Storm Peaks and Icecrown in Wrath, or Deepholm in Cataclysm.

This is logic. ^

[Ilarra-turalyon]

Flying and the majority of quality of life improvements added to the game over time ruin World of Warcraft for alot of players.

It’s the reason Classic has been so successful.

You got five likes. That alone should tell you something. Look we get it. There are some folks out there who for whatever reason do not like flying. SO DON’T FLY.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that you don’t get to tell other players how to play their game they pay for?
FLYING WAS NEVER AN ISSUE UNTIL BLIZZARD MADE IT ONE.

As for your absurd statement that Classic is so successful due to no flying I would like to see that data. How about you stop making up “facts”.

[anon58221758]

Look we get it. There are some folks out there who for whatever reason do not like flying. SO DON’T FLY.

I personally would not like to be able to clip through walls, but let’s suppose we can unlock an achievement and clip through walls.

If I participate I no longer enjoy the game because physical barriers become irrelevant and the game feels dumbed down.

If I abstain from wall-clipping then I fall behind the curve, I cannot keep up with groups that are wall-clipping, I cannot compete, the game becomes a wasted effort.

Flying in World of Warcraft is glorified clipping.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that you don’t get to tell other players how to play their game they pay for?

I am not asking that you be grounded.

I am asking that players such as myself are given the realistic option to opt out and be compensated for the lost of efficiency, only insofar as necessary to bring me to a level playing ground with the flying population.

As for your absurd statement that Classic is so successful due to no flying I would like to see that data.

Flying and the majority of quality of life improvements added to the game over time ruin World of Warcraft for alot of players.

How about you stop making up “facts”.

Well look at that.

All I had to do was copy and paste from the original post.

Players complain about leveling, yet leveling in Classic takes longer and is more tedious.

Players complain about Pathfinder, yet there is no flying in Classic.

Players complain about pruning, yet many classes have less abilities and more monotonous rotations in Classic.

Players complain about balance, yet Classic is extremely unbalanced.

Players complain about story, yet Classic has no main plot, the storytelling is low quality if not absent most of the time.

Players complain about transmog restrictions, yet transmogrification does not even exist in Classic.

Go ahead …

Enlighten the forums as to what it is players like about Classic, that was not destroyed by flying and quality of life improvements, as I previously stated.