I don’t think it’s a good idea to nerf covenant abilities. That’s a good way to make players upset.
I don’t understand the issue. Maybe a couple more threads of the same thing and I’ll get it?
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I don’t think that has mattered at any point in the history of Warcraft. You’re also forgetting the other group of players that picked a covenant based on story, asthetics, or just the general feel of the button press. How do you think they will feel when there is 0 representation of their Class/Covenant in the AwC(or in PvP MDI, WF race).
Covenant choice is the keystone expansion feature, but the “choice” doesn’t really exist if you really want to attempt to push the upper tiers of PvP and PvE. Some players like myself don’t really care. I’m old and just play everything pretty casually for fun nowadays.
Having your abilities brought in line to be comparative to the other covenants won’t feel half as bad vs the player who decided to go say Venthyr because they like Vampires then come to realize after a month of leveling renown their choice was a trap and is a clunky trash skill with 0 use in PvP if they decide to dip their toes into Arena or RBGs.
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I mean rogues are top tier but like these examples are fried
It’s not like his stream hasn’t been like random viewer 2s for all of BfA and having the best rogue in the world vs randoms, especially randoms in skirms is just gunna look silly
Drest being a thing still is stupid af though
I think my biggest concern is we prolly only get like 1 or 2 hotfix patches and I’d rather them be on something that counts, and without the arena season starting it seems really difficult to judge. Biggest thing I could see happening is sub gets nerfed and all the specs that could compete anyways just get spam complained about. Then people go towards rotating their complaints to all the other specs who also have high damage, then we have a meta where people do very little but our toolkits are unpruned more across the board and then no one dies.
I just want more of a diverse meta honestly, bfa being like the same diff comp or comp styles was really uninteresting
Need our one blizzard genie pvp fix wish to count
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Ya the system is flawed but the sub rogues that chose Kyrian for a PvP advantage are going to very upset if it gets nerfed and all of a sudden a different covenant is the best choice.
Nerf something else aside from the covenant ability.
This is the biggest issue. The game needs a lot more hotfix patches thoughout a season to try to bring things in line. There will never be perfect balancing but the outliers should be addressed asap. Like you’re always going to have a meta and eventually some classes will fall off a cliff and will not be a part of it but at the same time Blizzard could do a better job of addressing the really egregious abilities/PvE trinkets/ect.
It will be pretty sad if in 2 months the top of the ladder is dominated by Kyrian X class with how strong the potion is on top of so many Kyrian class abilities being pretty good as well as still having one of the best soulbinds in game.
So you’d rather they do a larger overall nerf to the class then maybe a smaller nerf to both the ability and class overall?
This is the exact problem with Covenants in the first place. If the class gets nerfed then the other players using the different covenants feel even worse, and still might end up being in a position where they think they need to swap Kyrian to get that slight edge anyways. The best change they could make right now is changing the potency conduit so it isn’t a 50% dmg buff and making Drest garbage when used on lvl 60 players.
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yea look at his gear, ret, shadow priests, mm hunters ect can do the same with gear
If you actually think this is why sub rogues seem good you’re delusional. Anyone can do his dmg rotation. It’s not even my opinion, even Pika said this. Any 1500 rogue can 100-0 just about anyone in the opener, and it’s been the same since beta. Sub rogues are inherently broken even when they’re not doing someone’s entire life bar in one stun.
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I am all for sub rogues being bursty open monsters because class fantasy but it is a bit far. Especially when they can still use a BfA trinket and do insane damage with it. I’ve found myself having to go Master of Time arcane just so I can beat sub rogues. Being able to blink a stun when racial or trink is on cd is the only thing that lets me beat most sub rogues atm.
LOL bruh you can just bubble and heal lmao
What expansion was it where sub rogues literally tickled people all game and were only brought because of their utility.
bfa outside of start of s1 and pre evis buff
Duh, it’s not hard to do damage I don’t disagree
Not hard for anyone to deal damage
Actually my biggest critique of the game since MoP ended, because if there was really anything in MoP that really stood out was that good players would do wayy more damage (and healing) than worse players
Plus cc/kite better
So game pacing was pmuch the same for all skill brackets
I just still think like sub rogues just crushing random players though in skirms is sadly a bad metric
Almost everyone can easily do damage on any class and a lot of specs more than just sub have really high damage outputs so like caring about things happening like that are pointless
Do people really think rated arenas are going to be sub rogues only and nothing else winning or having a chance? Probably the most important thing to consider
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Did you even read the combat log?
I can’t bubble and heal if I instantly die. That was 1 GCD from stealth. Sorry I haven’t developed superhuman precognition yet.
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Just remove Drest… seriously not one single player will disagree.
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The issue is not trinkets or kyrian ability. Someone ask pika to do his opener on someone without those, and they will die in the opening stun.
Isn’t it funny that kidney shot dring with cheapshot was introduced because people were tired of dying in stuns to rogues…weird…now its not even ‘stuns’, its just one stun.
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With what a sub rogue can do right now, the best 3s comp would be 3 sub rogues by a mile. So yes, actually.
I will bet my life on it that that will not be the best 3s comp
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I’d rather they not blow up the whole ability for the sake of subs having it be too powerful and just remove ER working with shadow blades and getting the free crit on symbols, not that is matters due to the legendary
if nothing changed from this point, what would stop that? holy pally, mage, and ret paladin/hunter. just so that you could hopefully instabubble or block/deter before you were globaled?
Are you not seeing the vids? People are getting globaled as in the actual definition. Killed in one global.
And that’s by one rogue. if you had 3, it would be an actual global. sap sap global. sap global. global. solid 3s game.
watch this video if you havent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8PhiltaR_Y, he literally 1v3s (1v4s is the joke because his partner was messing him up)