I am really surprised about the lack of discussion revolving around sub rogue. Are we all really going to ignore just how overtuned this spec is in pvp? Whether it is arena, bg, or world pvp, this spec can literally (AGAIN) one-shot people inside their opening stun.
Even after the so called “nerfs” this is still happening. Come on blizz please do better.
For clarification, I have 40% vers and 168k hp in pvp and pretty much blow up in a 3 second opener.
Yes /thread
(blizz dev is typing…) oh howdy you are speaking about pvp? yeah i feel bad for you… rogue matchups can be rough.. anyway !!
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Huh? Everyone saying it’s busted.
No one is ignoring it.
Did you miss MM hunter and fire mage all last season?!
All secondary stats are bloated atm. You may have 40% vers, but I also have like 135% mastery on my rogue so the damage reduction you’re getting doesn’t mean much when it’s counteracted by offensive stats. Blizz will probably get around to tuning PVP when the season starts
It’s pretty humorous to me that Blizzard said they wanted to take away one-shot playstyle. My UH DK has been nerfed countless times since prepatch started, and yet sub rogue still hits like a truck. Blizzard? If you want to fix the one-shot playstyle how about dial in your focus on making Sub balanced?!
As a healer, I find it more interesting watching DPS players trying to greed a shadow blades sub rogue opener…like wow, you’re really not about to press anything at all?
Somehow we’re supposed to be okay with guaranteed 50-75% of Hp unless you blow a 2m trinket on their stun.
Then if you trinket just wanting to live,or BoP, Icebound Fort – Rogue will vanish+sap, or you’re blinded and your node is stolen.
They stealth and wait 10 seconds, re open, you’re dead.
Sub levels of HARD CC does not combine well with chonking your HP.
Last season I got 100-0’ed in one cheapshot+kidney by back to back 3.5m secret technique crits.
The 3 globals pally gets off with wake+divine toll+HoL
Or warrior CS+Execute+MS PALES in comparison to the guaranteed hardstun health chonking Sub
gets every 16 seconds.
It’s toxic gameplay and against all the changes to slow everyone else’s damage.
Subtlety damage can be good and consistent which was their ORIGINAL DESIGN with bleeds and shadow damage, without removing 75% of your HP in 6 seconds ,or just killing you in those 2 stuns.
They will still be good in PvP if you nerf burst and raise consistent damage. I promise you that.
The game feels like a hot bag of turds whenever any rogue spec is OP. Great job Blizzard. Great way to start a new expansion so everyone has FUN!
Do you have a clip of this happening? Or can you make one and post it? Because I don’t really believe you. The nerfs were huge. 23% to their “big dam” button plus a flat 8% overall. I can absolutely feel it and definitely cannot 100-0 someone by myself anymore. I can maybe do 70-0 with every button but even that seems unreliable and rng dependant.
If what you’re saying is happening is actually happening please show me because I’d love to see and find out how the rogue could be making that happen because these nerfs feel substantial.
not to mention they are nearly unpeelable while unloading full damage and are allowed to hit through all the parry defensives
Only shadowstrike goes through parry? As far as damage goes at least
| Unseen Blade | Talent | Requires Rogue |
|---|
| Subtlety
Backstab and Shadowstrike now also strike with an Unseen Blade dealing (296% of Attack Power) damage. Targets struck are Fazed for 10 sec.
Fazed enemies take 5% more damage from you and cannot parry your attacks.
| This effect may occur once every 20 sec. |
|---|
Oh right the trickster talent! Thats badass I forgot about that lol
yeah its so fun to have to trinket cheap shot and not be able to peel the rogue because they just mongo open with evasion. and for some reason they get to override monk turbo fists talent which says you parry all attacks. not “you parry all attacks except rogues”
Ok? Lol and the unseen blade tool tip says “enemies cannot parry your attacks”. It doesnt say “enemies besides monks” lmfao
But thats fine they can change that i wouldn’t really care. Its inconsequential vs everything but monk and arms warrior and arms still has the damage reduction from DBTS so its not worth hitting them anyway. I practically forgot about that part of the trickster tree
so to answer your question, the reason i mention that is rogues get to be completely op and you didnt even know how they work. why are you on the arenas forum? isnt there a ‘how to play your class’ forum you can learn in?
I’ll look into it. If there is I’ll let you know so you can maybe end this 3x expansion streak of chronic rival/duelist.
@OP If a sub rogue pops shadowblades during a dance. You have to use something. Trinket and defensives, in your case one of the 12 you have. If you dont have or use either, then you should die. You can’t ignore burst windows from any class. If sub cant kill you with blades and dance up while you push nothing then they are worthless, especially with a CD on cheap.