Sub Rogue in PVP

I hope everyone is having a wonderful Christmas. Anyways, I made a post on the rogue forums that I think is worth your time. Please do check it out. Figured it would be worth posting in the arena section due to it being about pvp.

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if blizzard could pay a genie 10 dollars to achieve perfect pvp balance, i’m pretty sure they wouldnt do it

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Been saying it since the nerf. At this point im just running rm 2s

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They would not waste a penny. They want it all.

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but what does Roastmasterx think?

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No one wants a spec with that much control to have high damage too.

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i think it’s marvelous

Almost every spec used to have more control and same dmg as now. Sub needs a dmg buff, sick of sin. I don’t play my rogue outside of random games cause sin is so boring.

no one wants to go back to dying 100-0 to rogues in triple cheap shot

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Not saying sub should 100-0 in a stun lock or have assa level damage. It should have opportunity to kill people though and not take 3 global to knock someone from 100 to 98%. If you don’t agree with that then you should not be allowed to post on forums tbh.

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I run rm 2s to not worry about it. Everything dies in the stunlock meteor wambo. Women, child, orc, elf. Everything dies the same. May the dead never die.

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Ya see the problem is that everyone has been so pruned, so how can we really justify a class with that much control with that much damage. Others cant deal with it anymore simply because their classes have been pruned to much. Forgive my memory but is shadow dance a 1 min cd correct? With two charges? Thats pretty absurd to command a major defensive cd that quickly and that frequently.

X3 cheapshot and the rogue alone in legion doing 60-70% of someones hp alone was arguably the most toxic thing of legion.

Sorry your class sucks, I feel you, hunter has been an absolute mess since the start of legion (hardly anyone shed a tear lol). Even holy pally while viable is a shadow of its former self (fun wise). I do hope they fix the game soon.

we actually gained abilities in BFA btw. and sub did damage in legion LUL. i swear that argument is beyond wrong. @velina

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What abilities? Abilities to deal with CC of say a rogue like counter cc? No people did not get more cc nor gain abilities.

The only things that come to mind are decurse for mages and tremor for shammys.

Sure i guess you could use the skewed amount of azerite abilities to make your claim of ‘we gained more abilities’ but all classes dident get everything. But no one really gained any CC or ways to counter rogue stuns.

fix the sap bug first

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Nerf rogue stuns then think of any changes from there.

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@fistzofury cc is healthier for the game then mongo. we should retain stuns to keep us from being a warrior, but have enough damage to maybe kill someone. lower damage then other classes (considering more cc) but not to the point where one backstab is doing 2k damage.

It’s funny people hate dying in 3x cheap shot from sub but are 100% okay dying in a single kidney from assass with sometimes no cc on the healer. The 3x cheap shot is much harder burst to pull off than most classes burst atm so I was okay with it.

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What are we supposed to be looking at here?

Are you saying sub rogue has weak sustained damage with backstab? Hasn’t sub usually been like that (except for maybe tbc/cata)? Isn’t it supposed to be a “hit and run” or setup/1-2-3 go type of spec? Are you saying you want more sustained damage outside of cooldowns?

Are you saying sub rogue has weak burst damage? In the clip you “danced” without symbols of death, and you double eviscerated without the dance buff (+25%), symbols (+15%), and while the target wasn’t stunned (prey on the weak, +5%) or vers on use trinket (+10%) and still managed to crit him for 20k. I bet the results would have been completely different if you used your optimal burst setup and the mage would have lost at least half his health.

Considering the amount of stuns a sub rogue has, what is an acceptable amount of damage to be taking from a solo rogue in a 6 second time period?

I know you’re hitting the squishiest class in the game, but that clip really isn’t a fair representation of sub rogue damage.

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Yes buff rmp