Rogue pvp dev needs to wake up and buff sub output substantially. Truly crazy the spec is this terrible.
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Don’t fall for rogue propaganda.
if outlaw and assa were nerfed below sub we would instantly see the best rogues swapping sub and showing us that it was “sleeper” op this entire time.
rogues just take the path of least resistance every season while forgetting that every spec they have is S tier simply because they are rogues.
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Is it propaganda if you’re currently playing it to finish the elite sets and can see how terrible it performs?
In 2250 mmr lobbies I’m legit doing 200-300k dps max and the usual windows where I can generate pressure don’t exist anymore.
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did u happen to play shadolands s3/4 when every rogue was saying outlaw was turbo trash
but then it got like a 2% buff and suddenly it was the best melee in the game overnight?
I think this happened in dflight too not sure tho.
I think ur problem btw is playing sub in shuffle, the spec has never been good in shuffle just by how it plays. in 3v3 sub boomy is a very lethal comp and if boomy was a little tankier, we would see it much more
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Yeah ever since the vanishing dust thing happened, I swapped to my healer until they grow a brain. I was about to post something to twist your mind and make you think I was talking about the opposite of what you were. I felt bad and retracted it.
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i’ve lost all trust in anything a rogue says about their class a long time ago
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I am not exclusively a rogue player by any means. It’s my favorite class to mess with but I have a lot of other classes except warrior. Ever since Mists of Pandaria I’ve preferred mage and holy paladin.
i feel like the shadowdust change impacted defensives more than anything, and so i think what happens is that rogues who are used to aggro trinket cloak evas are suddenly getting punished for it.
the last time sub was killable, it was usually hit and run playstyle instead of staying in all the time so maybe the playstyle is wrong rn?
Well before that over-nerf, if your Crowd Control was immaculate as a rogue, like no mistakes (A LOT can go wrong in arena), you could burst someone down under the most serious offensive pressure imaginable. In battlegrounds it was way more about defensives and used for that reason, but in arena it definitely put people down offensively. Now that it’s gone we lost both, and we basically have ALMOST zero sustained damage. outside of the Shadow Dance cooldown, or Shadow Blades (2 minute cooldown) which makes our teammates have to 2v3 until we get it back. In battlegrounds people pay a lot less attention. That’s where subtlety rogues really belong. Arena they just get straight up outlasted, and nobody wants to say this.
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Yeah hard pass on sub buffs lmao
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They just need invigorating shadowdust back. Then they’d be better off.
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bro they were even saying outlaw isn’t good and needs buffed this xpac and then it popped up in awc and is being spam played now
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rogues are the best gaslighters fr i cant anymore
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Rogue should have minimal throughput.
Aff/rogue is a thing because the rogue can cross CC the entire team on repeat while aff pumps
More throughput needs less control to go with it.
No class needs cdr, it’s awful for the game
Sub is fine. @_@
Well maybe it’s not needed, but cooldown on Shadow Dance needs halved at the very least. Or dang, at least a 35% cooldown reduction if shadowdust isn’t returning.
Two charges on a 1min cd and it needs to be a 30/45sec cd? Why? Rogues get their go’s perfectly fine without shadowdust and 30/45sec cd dance.
If you want lower cd dance then damage or cc potential needs nerfed
Sub is fine. Actually all the rogue specs are in a good place right now. Actual skill issue. Which isn’t surprising considering the class. It’s not for everyone.
Sure you can have those buffs at the cost of bomb or shadowy being a choice node