“It’s not made for your demographic.” isn’t a good excuse. You can judge children’s shows. There’s a world of difference between Caillou and Sesame Street.
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it’s a sad world when “women things” boil down to Twilight and Beiber.
(I’m not one to knock anyone’s preferences) but this reponse kind of makes it glaringly obvious just how clueless even “good” men are about what women like and what women want. Or the condescention and bias that exists in things “made for women.”
Rings of Power comes back into this. the reason it’s hated is not because it’s bad, it’s because men don’t understand why women love it, they only see it’s flaws and why on paper it’s terrible in their eyes they are not trying to see it through a woman’s eyes.
This video comes to mind
it’s pretty obvious. It’s him.
Do you want to be seen as monsters? or seen as men?
“Men don’t understand women”
Ren says, discrediting story’s told by women and uplifting stories written by old men.
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I said they were teenage girl things. Which they were. I know this because I too was a teenager when that stuff was popular.
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what about the girls who didn’t like the “popular girl” stuff? I’m not gonna pretend I’m “unlike other girls” because that’s fetishism, but it also pigeon holes people by gender.
Did they just not exist? What about the girls who liked “the boy stuff?”
when I was a teen I was playing Castlevania, Diablo and and Soul Reaver 2. that explains why I am in love with devil.
I wonder if there’s boys out there who really loved Twilight.
Like Ben said, people like different things for different reasons and a certain someone is making sexist claims that men don’t understand women as if there aren’t women who HATE Rings of power just as much as some men do
It’s a weird hill to want to die on but it is what it is I suppose
It’s also confusing to hear that a trans person’s identity should only be respected if they follow a certain ideology.
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Oh I also knew girls who vehemently hated that stuff. And men who were really into it. And adults who were really weirdly opinonated about it either because they desperately needed to expand their media pallette or just are the sort who goes to war with anything their kids like they don’t immediately see the appeal of.
My main complaint was I thought it’d be way more interesting if the monsters were ya know, monstrous. Then there might be some more drama as yeah they appear as Calvin Klein models but are actually hideous monstrosities. Instead it’s diamond boy VS what if your BF was also a big friendly dog.
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My Sisters husband secretly loves Twilight and my sister started collecting Witcher books after watching the series, they are both in their 40’s lol. I wish “fandom” were less divided between things that “belong” to men and things that “belong” to women.
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I’ll thank Henry Cavil for getting a friend to admit she actually quite liked fantasy. Which I suspected when I let her try WoW then immediately grew concerned as she spent the evening silently leveling an undead mage, only occasionally breaking from her trance to ask me questions about mechanics.
Still stubbornly insisted she despised the genre though. Until she binged watched all of the Witcher season 1 even as I checked out because I was sleepy. Real
Moment.
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I remember when Twilight came out and all the older women at my job then were reading it. It was a bit of an eye-opener.
The other weird thing was when I went back to Korea and I saw kids reading Twilight manhwa adaptations. Interestingly, not gendered. Not hyper popular, but known.
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haha I think that’s funny,
You men don’t know how much the female gaze has benefitted you too. Do you think Henry Cavil would be popular if he didn’t become popular by first appealing to the female gaze?
He was in the Count of Monte Cristo
and The Tudors long before he became Superman.
The female gaze made him The Witcher.
(the Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorite movies- it’s where my Henry Cavil crush first started as a teen)
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Right, the funny part is, I’m not even trans. I’m a female who might have some physical traits and personality traits that some might consider masculine. I work out, I’m fairly muscular (Muscular women are beautiful and should be normalized instead of being pencil thin and anemic). I suppose I can be somewhat aggressive at times, if I am angry.
I have a romantic preference for women, and men who some might consider feminine.
I consider myself a feminist but I think Ren is the farthest person one can be from an ally of women. And given her communist/socialist ideology, I generally think they are the most dangerous sort of people for Western Civilization.
What’s interesting was there was a book called something like Blood and Chocolate released before that about a girl werewolf I quite liked. So I checked out the first Twilight as girls I knew from WoW were into it and I thought it was meh. Didn’t really inspire hatred though just a “Nah not doing it for me”.
I feel like that, Sailor Moon and Powerpuff Girls I had to keep any enjoyment of on the DL. Because that was for girls apparently and therefore I ought to react to it like a vampire would a cross.
When really I’m the weird one for being interested in the show about superheroes who are entirely attractive anime gals?
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It’s been pretty interesting to watch Mean Girls’ stratospheric rise into the annals of pop culture, because while it did very well up front, it has continued to win the popular consciousness for almost 20 years now despite absolutely zero marketing or follow-up IP exploitation. It’s almost as quotable as the first six Star Wars movies, and it was one movie. No toys, no EU.
And I think a lot of it is because as a premise it hooks on society’s contempt for teenage girls and girlish interests, then uses that ironic fascination to get you to genuinely care for the characters and contexts – to understand that while a lot of it is about petty and small stakes, those aren’t the same as unimportant or unworthy of celebration. I’ve heard more than once about people who watched the movie skeptically and then went ‘no, this is a really good movie’.
It’s interesting, for a movie that’s building off a book that I’m told is more of just a wry observation of the social dynamics of teenage girls rather than a narrative.
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That was always seen as popular hrre but it’s set in a Chicago suburb so, it was a movie all of us related to. Maybe you didn’t go to that school but you at least knew people who did.
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It definitely did well everywhere from the start, afaik, since it turned Tina Fey into an overnight A-lister in a supporting role. But I’m amazed at how well it’s lasted.
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maybe a less popular and less of a cult classic is Easy A
I wish this movie was treated in the same way American Pie was treated.
This movie was hilarious. ngl this movie has me feeling conflicted about Penn Bagely and why I still watch YOU. This scene still runs through my head all the time.
The same same can be said about Penn Bagely even dressed up as a serial killer misogynist I still fantasize about him
At the time I was in the serious artist phase where I only watched extraordinarily depressing if incredibly well made stuff like Children Of Men.
I’m still baffled how I made any friends.
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Yeah I just feel it’s really screwed up we’ve people dying of runaway medication costs and living in tents while mfers recreate this scene IRL;
Clearly I’m a dangerous maniac. Unlike those lovely patriots who seem really keen to scapegoat miniorities for all the nation’s ills. I wonder if they’ve some solution for that. Perhaps a final one, you might say.
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