Unfortunately the faction in here claiming that WQ gear invalidates any sort of content have severely missed the mark. An important point you’ve all missed is that the secondary stats on Benthicc armor will be static, not random, and therefore will be poorly optimized for many specs regardless of ilvl. Furthermore you’re unable to get weapons or trinkets (3 of the largest power level gains per slot available) from WQs at a corresponding ilvl to raid gear.
Anyone with a brain, that actually participates in high end content knows the gear they seek comes from those activities. This WQ gear regardless of ilvl and time needed to acquire simply won’t compare to raid gear. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case going forward.
It was an interesting read, but largely irrelevant. I understand people’s feelings and egos may be impacted by WQ armor but their power level will not.
It’s funny to think that Benthic gear for you is the main and only culprit, when wqs right now can give heroic level of loot, as do warfronts, as do world bosses.
And to point out people ego, when you can reverse the situation easily on that. Why do you think you deserve that same gear as a heroic raider? You don’t get to critize people for pointing out that you just want free gear for doing wqs.
But it does it’s the same ilvl, static stat or not. Time or not.
This has always been the case In BFA and will continue to be like that if they want BFA results, which are shaky at best.
thats not true. WQ holds like 9/10 of my top trinkets and almost all my best Azerite armors. On top of that secondaries are so close that the ilvl of the weapon is more important than the stats
You have to remember there is a reason these people are not doing raids and mythic+s for gear. Theory crafting is for the “elitists” and people who decline them from groups because they failed all the +2s they have done even though they have a 400+ ilvl and should be able to do the content.
I know it’s common practice to reply directly via message on the forums, so I’ll bite, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
The current level of WQ gear scales to 370, which is lower than the current tier LFR base ilvl at 375.
You can get 1 piece of heroic raid ilvl equivalent gear roughly every month from the warfront quest turn in, otherwise its 355 which is a far cry from even LFR. If the argument is only valid (roughly) one time per month then should it really be addressed?
Finally when an emissary is up that rewards gear, it can scale up to 395 which is below current heroic raid level. I know someone on the internet probably has worked out the frequency of these emissaries that give 395 loot, but in my experience they haven’t been reliable enough to outpace gearing from higher end content. They simply function as a means to access content I do to get the gear I actually use, which I find rather helpful.
What is challenging to you may not be challenging for others. What is challenging for others may not be challenging for you. Funny how that works I know. Will admit I do kinda miss the days where you could get by, and feel stronger with just normal, and heroic dungeon gear without having to do hardcore raiding, or hardcore pvp. Just my opinion, but as long as these devs keep believing item level scaling is good for the game,then don’t expect things to change. Item level bloat will continue also, and they will have to do a squish at the end of every expansion as long as that item level scaling bs is in the game. Just my opinion anyways.
You get 2 pieces, one from the warfront, one from the world boss associated.
World bosses used to be normal loot ilvl in Legion and other expansions
I have advocated for this, I’m all for a return of a badge system for heroic dungeons and pvp vendor for random bg, but you have to understand most people here are only advocate for “braindead” content like wqs/warfronts/world boss.
Time is already removing some worth, each raid patch you lose some of your gear worth. We never needed more way to make that gear less worth. There’s a fine balance between catchup and progression and BFA is going too strong one way.
If you get this much gear just doing wqs/wafronts/wbs, you remove incitatives. First for people that did that content and that just see someone getting a free handouts which is not very interesting when gear is the main incitative to raid. And not everyone raid at the start of a raid, or raid as often as to gear themselve in one go, those people also deserve to have a worthwhile gear progression.
Asking heroic level that remove incitatives for 3/4 of raid difficulties and up to 2100 rating in pvp is again, a bit too far for only that kind of content. And I would prefer people to have more worthwhile progression, even casuals. But they deserve more different type of rewards if they just want to stick to wqs.
I appreciate that is your point of view, but in my own I’ve never seen any of these activities invalidating, or even replacing traditional loot acquisition.
At best they’ve been a nice supplement to gearing through dungeons and raids and at worst they’ve been a stepping stone to get me in the door.
So when I see people complaining about free loot, and content invalidation my initial response is to dismiss it as hyperbole and my worst impulse is to consider it the opinion of people who are lacking the ability to make apt evaluations.
But considering gear systems are really important in an mmo, and that BFA doesn’t seem to do well. I think there’s a fair argument to consider tuning gear rewards a bit down.
Oh you mean you’re not wearing your “best azerite armor that comes from WQs” that only scale up to ilvl 370? Weird, why not?
The only logical conclusion I could draw from that is you’re not interested in having what you think is the “best gear”.
Edit: oh ok I see. You’re wearing 2/3 pieces of M10 Azerite armor from the vendor. Well I guess that high level content is invalidating your WQ gear mate. Better get on the forums and let em know.
Oh and the third piece, well that comes from a heroic raid. That doesn’t seem fair, why should that heroic raid armor invalidate your free 370 gear from WQs?