Stop throwing gear around and rewarding mindless play

[Tohopkhan-wyrmrest-accord (Tohopkhan)]

Another generalization. I see the argument as they do not necessarily care about your gear, they care that you got it from a world quest. Why should you get the same level of gear doing something that takes zero skill compared to doing something that takes lots of time and dedication to complete?

I mean, I would imagine it takes a lot time and dedication for a chance to get that piece of gear you need in comparison to a random but consistent piece of gear that you can get from a WQ.

Imagine that world quests were reworked to be an unreliable way to be geared up for a raid or a heroic dungeon or gold or any sort of reward as all of it is shifted to doing dungeons over and over again just for a chance to get something worth working for. Would that be fun for the casual players or a disaster waiting to happen?

[Kagh-malganis (Kagh)]

Imagine defending participation trophies in an online video game because you don’t actually want to play it’s content.

Participation trophies in an online video game that you have to pay monthly to play.

[Spacewaifu-trollbane (Spacewaifu)]

But like I paid for the game! I should get all the end game loot right away because IM A PAYING CUSTOMER!!!

[Spacewaifu-trollbane (Spacewaifu)]

NEWS FLASH.

I started in Legion with 0 achievements… Now I have all the broken gear from the new raid on my prot war, and enjoy a guild where we gear each other up and help each other overcome challenges…

The thing that you guys need to realize is that your achievements can be upgraded always, it just takes looking the challenges in the face and powering through them!

But devaluing these achievements for everybody is NOT the answer to your gearing issues.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

See that’s another point of contention. You assert it’s because things are going the way you like. That’s called confirmation bias. You see the result you expect because it’s what you believe. You have no objective data that demonstrates the changes to the reward systems are the reason people are leaving. Blizzard doesn’t provide us those details. However, logically if we assess their actions the fact that they are continuing to do what you claim is ‘killing the game’ demonstrates that your claim isn’t based on reality.

If you think that the reward system doesn’t have something to do with the bleeding subs, you’re clearly out of touch my friend.

So, uh, do you not understand what a false equivalence is? It means you can’t compare thing A to thing B because it’s not a logically valid comparison. Thanks for making me laugh when you made it apparent you were out of your depth.

Not quite, the comparison can be made and it’s a decent analogy. Logically, the person doing easy content over a long period of time shouldn’t be rewarded the same as the person doing content 50x’s the difficulty just because they spent time on it.

The point stands that WQs granting gear that is on par with Heroic Raid/m10+/Rival rankings takes away value of the “carrot” even if you don’t like my analogy.

Kydrav, I think you are just being silly. Your OP does not make sense, and you make up your own facts. Yes, harder challenges deserve better rewards, but your desire for god-mode gear better than non-raiders needs to be reigned in.

I don’t care for god mode, I feel like the game was better when difficult content rewarded you more than time gated content.

Exactly how has my 394 ilvl gear on this alt warrior hurt you and other hardcore raiders or raiding in general? What ilvl do you propose my gear should be?

It should be whatever the pre-requisite ilevel for Normal Raids is (385) because: WQs shouldn’t be end game content. You don’t need these huge ilevels for WQs or casual play. If it’s PvP you’re concerned with, I will agree they need to bring back a system where you can purchase gear for such, but that’s another topic entirely.

If I have harmed you in some way by getting gear without doing raids and mythic+, please explain how. I earned all my gear. RNG has rarely been kind. I think it is you, OP, who has an over-inflated sense of entitlement.

I don’t think I’m entitled at all, I think if anything the folks who think they deserve gear just for spending time on easy content are entitled. It can go both ways.

Imagine defending participation trophies in an online video game because you don’t actually want to play it’s content.

It’s cool, they’ll see when the game is just templates.

[Kagh-malganis (Kagh)]

I legit had a warlock in a +13 Freehold who unironically said he could face pull all the trash packs he wanted because he paid his $15 like everyone else.

I died a little that day.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

Well,it does play that way in progression with wq but that doesn’t suit the pvpers and raid elilist unfortunately.It has to be their way only,c.i.p. review some of the posters in the thread and you’ll find something they all have in common.

[Spacewaifu-trollbane (Spacewaifu)]

I legit had a warlock in a +13 Freehold who unironically said he could face pull all the trash packs he wanted because he paid his $15 like everyone else.

I died a little that day.

Ya that should be a perma ban LOL

[Kagh-malganis (Kagh)]

Well, it’s a running joke with my friends now, so you saying that gave me flashbacks.

[Spacewaifu-trollbane (Spacewaifu)]

Well, it’s a running joke with my friends now, so you saying that gave me flashbacks.

I could post a few emotes to cheer you up!

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

I would’ve love to have seen that.LOL

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

I legit had a warlock in a +13 Freehold who unironically said he could face pull all the trash packs he wanted because he paid his $15 like everyone else.

I died a little that day.

HAHA, it’s hilarious but sad that’s what the community has come to. They feel entitled just because they pay $15 a month.

They don’t realize all these methods of gearing is just hurting them in the long run by devaluation.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

Not only that they don’t know what they are doing and maybe their first time on an alt,lol.

[Kagh-malganis (Kagh)]

I could post a few emotes to cheer you up!

That didn’t cheer me up, it made me want pizza.

[Antx-dentarg]

Sad. Blizz is trading long term health for these people’s subscriptions. IMO Benthic says a lot about sub numbers and Blizzard desperation.

[Spacewaifu-trollbane (Spacewaifu)]

That didn’t cheer me up, it made me want pizza.

I hate to be this person but thank you for reminding me of the frozen pizza I got waiting for me!!!

[Kagh-malganis (Kagh)]

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

Sad. Blizz is trading long term health for these people’s subscriptions. IMO Benthic says a lot about sub numbers and Blizzard desperation.

Yup, what’s amusing is they don’t see that. They just think Blizzard is “being nice” and “rewarding” them for “hard work”.

Nah, they’re just trying to cater to casuals to get their money and it’s devaluing the game in the process. They’ll realize this sooner or later.

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

NEWS FLASH.

I started in Legion with 0 achievements…

NEWS FLASH

No one cares where you started. The end.

If you think that the reward system doesn’t have something to do with the bleeding subs, you’re clearly out of touch my friend.

So you can prove your claim then? By all means, send me the data you have that demonstrates this. Might want to send a copy to Blizzard too. Oh wait, you can’t. Confirmation bias in action!

Not quite, the comparison can be made and it’s a decent analogy.

You can sit there and say it is, and then I say it isn’t, and then you say it is, and the conversation goes nowhere. You can’t win by pretending you’re 5 years old.

The point stands that WQs granting gear that is on par with Heroic Raid/m10+/Rival rankings takes away value of the “carrot” even if you don’t like my analogy.

Except it doesn’t. That’s a you problem. I do normal/heroic raiding each tier and M10+. Hell I literally just did a 10 on an alt. The content isn’t mutually exclusive. Doing more content means more opportunities to get better secondary stats or get a forge. The value of the carrot is subjective. To me, the carrot always had very little value. The thing that has value is the time I’m spending with the people I’m spending it with. Not the power reward obtained by doing the content.

But in the end here’s the deal. Some people like it. Some people don’t. Your opinion isn’t right, mine isn’t wrong. Hell, mine isn’t right, yours isn’t wrong. It’s just personal preference about what motivates you personally and what you think should motivate other people. That’s where your position falls apart. Because the system isn’t catering to you. It’s catering to all the players. And the bulk of players are happy with this system. The extreme minority of raiders crying about how they lost their arbitrary power advantage can all quit today and it wouldn’t impact the game in a substantive way.

But the most important part here is this, Blizzard likes this system and they keep using it and iterating upon it. And the changes they’re implementing are taking us farther from what you want, not closer to it. We (the people opposed to the status quo you want re-established) already won a long time ago. You can find a way to cope with it or not. Your choice.

[Kagh-malganis (Kagh)]

I can’t take anyone who has their profile hidden seriously.