not gonna lie. this sounds like the biggest excuse since “drink base liquids ment drink egg whites not bleach”
You are welcome to assume how ever you desire.
Children do the dishes before bed, least back when I was a kid they did. I suppose I coulda have instead used the ‘Do your homework’ line, but that one has already been used recently.
The last time I was kicked was by a 3 man premade from Illidan, the WW decided I was not pulling enough and ran ahead during BC TW in Shattered Halls right after the third boss, where you get those invisible mobs that stun you.
Yeh they got stunned, died, yelled at me in chat about how bad I was in that I could not keep aggro, to which I noted that maybe they should not be running ahead if the tank is also stunned and boom, I got a loading screen 10 seconds later.
See I don’t sit here and tell you guys “Just follow the tank or something bad may happen”, I regal my own stories of what has happened and it’s so much easier to just follow the tank. And this example is a perfect example of why you should be following the tank and showcases that some players just have no idea what is going on.
Unless a tank is being Goldilocks and taking a nap between each pack, it doesn’t matter if they are pulling one pack at a time or everything, fact is when people run ahead of the tank is when most issues occur and most complaints happen.
Your type of player is the exact reason I use neural silencers in pug groups. I love seeing a hunter run off and pull aggro, or a priest who runs into a new pack, uses fade and realises they are not pulling me in only to die seconds later.
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- TW, not M+, so this is an entirely different environment where tanking is a whole lot more nebulous and usually not required.
- You don’t encounter premade groups every time so this is a statistical anomaly thus’… not relevant for the overall question as it regards to tanking.
- As I have pointed out and will keep pointing out: you are a tank, you can taunt the ones currently attacking whoever got stunned.
Most likely still wouldn’t have changed the outcome as groups like that most likely would kick anyone for any reason. But point still remains … you could’ve taunted or done something, even if you can’t cure toxicity and/or stupidity. If you were stunned then all you say is “sorry, I was stunned” - a half-truth tends to feed people’s egos enough where they don’t immediately try to get rid of folks.
Also, question… weren’t you a Zandalari before?
Sure, let me just magically unstun myself and go after the DPS who ran ahead.
Regardless if it’s levelling dungeons, heroic, TW or M+, it’s all the same, stop running ahead of the tank unless it’s planned to be done as such. It’s players like you who are just like “Oops, I pulled, now taunt all these enemies off me” and “Go faster” who just have no idea why some tanks don’t pull everything or why we go slow.
Fact that I have pointed out many times in the past, and even in my previous post just up, unless a tank is being Goldilocks and taking a nap between each pack, it doesn’t matter if they are pulling one pack at a time or everything, fact is when people run ahead of the tank is when most issues occur and most complaints happen.
If you don’t like how some people tank, and cannot figure out why they are not pulling everything all the time, then be a tank and do your own pulls so you can figure out why we won’t rush ahead of pull 8 packs of enemies and the next boss.
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I very much so have never wondered why tanking is unpopular. Because I get that most folks don’t actually want to tank. Heck, look through this thread and what do people talk about?
Normal/Heroic dungeons, levelling, and queue timers. Those are the primary things that people bring up whenever they talk about “folks running off” and all manner of ridiculous things like that. In content where you face actual lethal/meaningful mechanics, people repeatedly report none of these things being the case.
Most folks don’t want to tank because they think it is stressful. So when folks do tank it is in content that is so easy that it isn’t stressful, so any change to their “casual stroll through a dungeon” gets sped up at all …
Gestures towards the endless number of people talking about levelling in the thread.
Thing is, are they refusing to tank as a tank or do some think a tank’s job is to save them from themselves?
No where in the job description for tanks does it say we have to babysit fools that can’t keep it in their pants all the time. Some will put up with butt pulls, some will let accidents slide, others will allow 1-2 intentional pulls, or take the “you pull it, either deal with it yourself or bring it to my AoE” mind set.
A tank’s job is a lot like a shepherd, we have the whole flock to protect, while we can, and will, aid the occasional “lost sheep”, we will not do it if we feel it will put the rest of the flock at risk.
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Yeah, dude. Miss me with all that.
… you do realize that my favourite role in PvE is tanking, right? When I go “oops, I pulled” that means a bigger pack of mobs and I have to reconsider if there’s mobs I can skip. Doesn’t change though that when others, when it happens, pull stuff I still react the same way.
And I will continue to say this:
In content where mechanics matter, and things can actually kill you … I have never seen this mentality. Ever. I have seen folks immediately go “oops, sorry”, folks who ragequit and leave, and I have seen many other reactions to a run not going perfectly … but never have I ever encountered this mentality where mechanics matter, and things can actually kill players.
I can believe it happens in levelling dungeons, as well as Normal/Heroic dungeons, even TWs simply because people say it happens and I generally speaking don’t do any of those things (I do TWs but only for the weekly, never anything more) so I can believe it happens in those areas. But I have a hard time believing it happens anywhere else for the numerous of reasons I have made in this thread.
Judging by this thread? Definitely the earlier.
Or like in OPs example low keys where it still happens.
The only time people don’t generally run ahead of the tank is in high keys upwards of the M18+ mark where there are limited tanks all because in the content where tanks are trying to learn, and trying to get better, learning routes, learning how their tank works, figuring things out, they run into people like you and they just don’t want to deal with it and cannot learn enough to be able to apply tanking in higher content.
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Low keys is still content where things aren’t quite yet lethal though, but mechanics do start to matter so that’s true (ergo why the criteria I mentioned included not just mechanics but also the lethal/danger aspect). You do see some folks start to playing the game trying to get out of the “Douché” region (Dark Legacy reference, a player who is bad at the game with a terrible attitude but still somehow they think they are better than everyone else in the group).
Basically … folks who pull stuff in that situation is most likely either someone who is trolling and thus’ will do things like this forever and be part of the people who get “stuck” in certain key ranges. Or they are a terrible player trying to learn. It doesn’t change any of the things I have said though.
Tell me you don’t know me without telling me you don’t know me, or for that matter me not knowing I don’t know you. Sorry mate but you are wrong again. I go out of my way to provide advice and help folks to get better.
Hilariously, even whilst I have been barraged by people in this thread making weird assumptions about me … I have also posted advice when I saw someone who seemed genuine and didn’t know what to do. So… yah’, wrong again.
Depending on gear. Most certainly a new tank still gearing in M+ can die and wipes can happen even in low content, and even for people still learning with good gear.
Just because you think you are gods gift to this game, and just because nothing bad can happen to you does not mean it does not happen.
“Go go go”
“Pull faster you won’t die”
“People pulling for you because you won’t die”
Yeh great advice.
In the meantime people on these forums tell others to go tank low level content to learn, but here you are just telling us we are bad and need to go faster.
None of which I have said.
You could go and read the advice I actually gave though.
Shady, you have absolutely lost this argument. Just give it up. Purposely pulling mobs as a DPS when the tank does not ask for the help pulling is not “working as a team.” It’s selfish behavior, thinking that your impatience or what you crave as fun is more important than the rest of the group.
Could be a new tank. Could be waiting on cooldowns. Could be going a different route than you are choosing. It absolutely, does not matter. It is not your job as DPS to pull, period.
If mobs get unintentionally pulled, I will of course pick them up as that’s part of a tank’s job. But I will 100% run to the next pack while that DPS tries to kill whatever they intentionally pulled because they’re in too much of a hurry.
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or my favourite, it’s “LOL content” so they think they’re impressing people by pulling extra mobs for the tank, or extra count which literally adds time to a run.
Or to add to that, this behavior scuffs the pull, someone dies, then asks “tank. Why you pull that”. People think they are so good but are so clueless.
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I started drinking earlier and was playing w/ my guild. Was me + tank carrying 3x DPS and I went into my UI and maxed out the size of everything on the screen such as my mini map, party frames, target/my own frame, buffs, debuffs, bags, micro menu… literally everything, and went around spamming shadow word pain ninja pulls. We still timed +21 keys w 3x dPS who were like 450-460 ilvl. I duno what the problem is lool
I don’t know all the spots and the shortcuts yet , so I don’t mind if a dps with experience leads me to mobs. I don’t seem to be having a difficulty catching the mobs they bring me.
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i read your reply three times, then put it into google translate → french and then back → english and I still have no idea what you’re talking about.
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I share his attitude and I’m a tank. Most of the tanks I meet are people who want to hold threat on big pulls and Max their dps.
They’re also very silly people, too.
I pugged heroic fire wormy the other day and the other tank kept standing further right of me before pull when he was assigned left. We spent 2min trying to be the furthest to the right because I couldn’t let him think he could stand on my side.
I won, BTW. We went so far right that we ended up on the other side of the room and I declared that he was now on the left.
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it feels good to say, but it is not true. People endgame generally behave however, they want to, yet still demand a level of respect and consideration, that they themselves are not willing to give. If there is no enforcement, what is the point of a rule?
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