Cause the #nochanges people never got bashed right?
You were too busy downvoting and laughing at us to give a damn about a single thing we said and now you dont want the same treatment?
#somechanges lead to this garbage and #nochanges WHICH WE NEVER GOT would have prevented it.
Like I said I get it (and no I didn’t bash or downvote nochangers). Supported nochange in classic actually. Just saying alot of changes made is just blizzard strong arming bs in no one wanted or asked for. Honestly I think they really don’t give a damn what you or I think at this point and will just do whatever.
You think people not wanting them to not put cash shop/services stuff in will stop them from slowly adding more? Naw they are going to put $$$ above your “authentic” experience because at this point they just dictate what will happen feedback be damned.
Modern ActiBlizzard said that, the company that inherited WoW that wants to make money from boosts. They said that because they want you to think it starts at 58 so you’ll then think the boost is okay. Its funny how if you buy a sub and boot up TBC classic, you’ll start at level 1. They’re just lying to you.
People who made a Belf or Draenei or any race had to start at level 1 back in TBC, with tons of new 1-20 content, rebalanced quest rewards, level 30 mounts, faster leveling, new quests in Dustwallow, Ashenvale and more, in case you forgot. Everyone who joined in TBC, (or rerolled/made an alt) did that, it was current content back then because you had to do it. All this “TBC starts at 58” is just people retroactively redefining things to fit their bias of being pro-boost.
Is Outland the bulk of TBC? Yes of course. But it’s obviously not the starting point. It never was.
Its hired actiblizz employees defending their companies greedy decisions. Its why you saw the defense of boosts in spurts instead of consistently in the last month and why you heard the same argument over and over again defending it.
Ya I don’t like the tactic they used where instead of just admitting what they are doing or you know not doing it they instead just change the meaning of a word or phrase to fit their goal. Like you said outland is the main focus but not all of it. I’m wondering if 1 to 58 is “not outland so boost justified” why not allow the two new races to boost past it too? Just using the blizz logic of “its not current” after all.
The one 58 boost is more of “just the tip”. This will get removed and you will eventually be able to buy 58 BE and draenai. You are right that the “we are helping the community with a boost so you can play with your friends” angle was typical corporate scumminess but you can’t expect them to just come out and say “we want more money at the expense of the integrity of the game”.
It is very clear what the road is we are walking down. Everyone hits a different point before they get off it.
Because those two races were unlocked with the purchase of burning crusade. During pre-patch they showed up on the screen but a message popped up saying “must purchase burning crusade to make these characters”. Everything else, like quest changes and the like were included with the base game. So these restrictions are perfectly in line with what they have said.
It’s like you all never played in the past.
I’m agreeing with Delimicus AND Bearhands? How did we end up in the darker timeline? I want to go back home.
And don’t forget the threads unironically asking for GLAIVES to be added to the shop. The community absolutely does not care about authenticity. These changes threaten their parse, hence all the faux outrage and nonsensical justifications and “think of the casuals” arguments.
The industry did think of the casuals, and thus was the AFK genre of mobile games born.
This argument goes the other way too, just FYI. People making these outrage threads are doing the equivalent of demanding that LFR bosses drop the same ilvl gear as Mythic because they don’t have the skill to kill Mythic bosses but still want to parse. Handing out the best PVP gear in the game to everyone cheapens it for everyone skilled enough to rightfully earn them.
I don’t get the people in here agreeing with OP and clapping each other on the back.
The delay on tier 5 gear was explained away with phases, as they content gate the game, due to the increased knowledge that players have now. They want to drag out the content and maybe get it to a spot that aligns with what the original TBC players needed in time to get there.
The PvP change is another change for the sake of changing the game. OP read some guy arguing “its not authentic” and takes this as the slogan of the opposition. Only a fool argues about authenticity at this point. The development of this game has been long past that.
The arena change is just put in for no tangible reason. The new system has flaws, as did the old one. There literally is no point using the new system of getting pvp gear, compared to this old one
Also people keep forgetting that if you did not care about arena or were not really good at in pvp you already had a caveat on obtaining gear. It took significantly longer to get your s1 or s2 gear if you rating was not high enough. So you had to wait quite a bit longer to catch up.
Believe me I want to get back to disagreeing with OP as soon as possible. But there was a tangible reason this change was made and it’s called Classic Alliance AV. Probably the saddest affront to this game there’s ever been. The system placed no requirements on earning the BiS gear, so what you saw were games littered with AFK players and people actively harassing people who were trying to play the battleground, all so they could AFK their way to BiS as quickly as possible. And that was due to happen again in Arena without this change.
bro nothing will be fixed or aligned with the arena change. The paid boosting meta will be prevalent. They just changed the way tbc arena worked for no apparent reason. The most likely is that they would have to have more work using the old system isntead of copy pasting the new one. thats about it.
They dont give a shlt about this game
Cynicism is popular in this thread so you’ll probably get likes for this, but lets apply reason and figure out which is more likely. That Blizzard developers didn’t feel like reviving the old system, or that they saw what happened in AV and rightfully decided that should never be allowed to happen again?
And who cares about paid boosts? At least I only need to fight 1-2 AFK boostees in 5s instead of an endless stream of hollow 5s games of people staying in the gates /dancing their way to BiS. That meta wasn’t fun for anyone in AV, and it won’t be fun for anyone in Arena and should never be allowed to see the light of day again.
AV/Honor system was a failure in a number of ways but, it’s not comparable at all to a rating based Arena system that TBC hosted. You had to perform well in order to acquire gear faster than those who didn’t. Now with this change you have to perform better and be better than the majority of the playerbase to even purchase the gear. You’ll have your 2-10% upgrade compared to your rivals just like Shadowlands and you’ll go around winning your fights with ease knowing the majority of the PvP competition is locked out of even competing.
Doing Arena and failing doesn’t automatically give you weapons or all the gear in a few weeks. It will take you weeks to acquire a singular piece because Arena points are still based upon your current rating. It isn’t a static amount given to everyone. By the time those /dancing 5s teams acquires a weapon an avid PvPer in a higher bracket will have 3 pieces or more. By the time the losing 5s teams has a full set of PvP gear they’re not competent enough to be Gladiators and the season will be nearly over.
Oh look, someone trying to blame the nochanges crowd for something that the somechanges crowd fueled the flames of.
How can you equate AV with this? You talk as if they fixed AV they did not. They made it into smth equally bad. The new arena system put into here is getting abused on retail. Its gonna get abused here. Not only that but atleast the old system allowed casuals or arena haters to get their points without grinding smth they don’t enjoy.
You argue from a PoV as if the new system was a smart design choice compared to the old one. It isn’t. Its a bad system on retail. its bad here. Im not saying the old TBC rating system was some god given truth or flawless. It wasn’t. But this one isn’t better. Its just a change
A deviation from the original system for no reason
We at that point already in the game, where we just fix stuff cause we feel like it? Apparently. They could not contain themselves to alter the game during #no changes…
Tbc is #some changes… and its already atrocious before the game is even out
Edit: I also wanna say… comparing AV to arena itself is dumb. AV was just one part of a whole. Arena is literally the thing they force you into to get the best gear. Even if you don’t like Arena you still have to play it. You are required to play it to get the gear. Nobody forces you in AV in vanilla.
Just make the rating requirements how they were in S4. Keep the requirements, but don’t make it 2050/2200. Most players will never see North of 1800 anyway.
I’d be fine if they left the entire system “as it was” and just added the same rating requirements of later seasons to the first ones as well.
I REEEEEEEEEEEALLY assumed this was going to be the case lol. I have no idea where this entire revamp came from. I had heared during the initial announcement they were considering implementing MMR to the system but I had no idea they were going this far.
Well let’s see. 
You get your 39 other friends and group together, you can’t just click a button and be done with it…
You have to you go to the raid entrance itself,
You have to have effective communication,
And you have to make sure you avoid attacks and listen or watch for certain cues.
Citation? 
Raids aren’t 40 man.
Gruul is literally show up and collect loot.
Citation is live and pretty much every iteration of arena. Duelist is roughly 1% of the entire arena population. Currently on live 2100 is .77%-.79% depending on 2’s or 3’s bracket. Google ludaslabs state of the ladder.
How would you like it if Blizzard told you you couldnt have you’re T4 shoulders from the mini boss in Gruul’s lair unless you parsed in the top 1% of North America? T4 and T5 are a complete joke as far as pve is concerned but somehow blizzard thinks that Arena gear needs to be given to the 1-3% top percentile only when the equivalent pve gear is basically handed to you.
The higher rating requirements work for Sunwell when the pve content is actually more difficult, not for T4.
Blizzard obviously didn’t care about authenticity a loooooong time ago. The player base also showed they didn’t care about authenticity a loooong time ago.
Most people are in it for themselves. Spirit of Classic? Vanilla? TBC? That horse has been bludgeoned a million times already.