Had to edit yet again because for some reason this thread got a comment from me meant for another thread. Idk why. Too many windows open maybe. Weird.
It is possible to be in an organization and, if large enough, have no clue what others are up to.
Especially if you’re an introvert/bookish type of person who doesn’t engage in office gossip, stuff like that.
Would be harder to believe if a social butterfly type said that, though.
No reread the post. I am talking the men who are now saying they saw it all and stand with the women. Where were they when it was all happening? They stayed silent.
I have a daughter, and we have taught her that others hurting her in anyway is bad and tell someone. As a child it was an adult now in her teens it’s the police.
WOW, the level of victim blaming here. Many many MANY victims of SA do not come forward, for many different reasons, and it is horrible to compare them to their abusers. Coming forward is a personal choice, period.
Why? Because I keep seeing people use these past employees as wonders who have come forward. Heroes!
The hero would have saved the maiden in the moment, not wait years and post that they saw it all. Why applaud that? You thinking it’s not happening is odd, literally even my tea channels on youtube that only ever cover makeup drama, have posted stories about this.
I get it, all the people who are rushing to cancel yet stick around want to ignore that point. If you stood by and watched it all happen you are not absolved of the guilt just because you work for another IP now.
You have a point. Staying silent while another is hurt can be a kind of compliance however, it isn’t just that, either.
It can be many things and my point is that since none of us were there and we don’t know because we weren’t in any of those positions, we really can’t speak to it.
People do things for many reasons, the main reason is that life’s a learning process and sometimes the lessons that test us are really ugly.
Also, it takes more than just one lesson to teach someone, probably most people so to wonder how it is someone didn’t “save the maiden in distress”, there’s a ton of reasons we most likely won’t know because we weren’t there.
Ask yourself why the “distressed maiden” didn’t save herself. Again, we don’t know.
We aren’t those people, we didn’t live their lives to see how they came to be at the point the were at that time.
sorry but this is a really bad take. here’s one of those many firsthand accounts by former employees, https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/oqsgt8/first_hand_account_of_harassment_at_blizzard/
in no way will i ever blame any of these people for not coming forward when all they could likely expect is more harassment and no action taken, and at the worst they’d lose their job
however, that doesn’t hold the same for the higher ups that could have done something about this, and didn’t
I feel you here. But it drives me nuts that people applaud it.
That’s all I am saying, they are just as bad for not saying anything at all. Yet I am getting cancelled for actually caring. You think the victims feel better when these guys who did nothing come forward now?
When things like this happen and come to light, the public knows, people will say all kinds of things.
Some who were actually there and may have been, I stress May as we don’t know, involved even peripherally, will say things to keep their butts out of firing range.
Others who were there but had no clue May chime in, looking for advantage as well as those who had absolutely nothing to do with it or anyone involved, who came later will say things to strategize for position and then there’s the drama queen activists who will do/say anything these days.
With all this craziness, it’s really not surprising when someone who is vocal and makes absolute statements and conclusions about an event they have limited info on, weren’t there at all, etc… get “cancelled” or, a term I prefer is, dogpiled on.
It comes down to this. We just don’t know. We weren’t there. This happened a bit ago, it’s not something that happened a day ago so there’s no one left to “save”.
Relax, let the process happen. Truth always comes out. Might take a few years or many or maybe just a couple weeks but it’ll come out and then we can get all riled up about whatever it is.
But why are they going public instead of going to the State and actually helping?
This is the cause of my anger. None of these people have done this.
I am all for it getting it’s time in court, but it really grinds my gears that a lot in this forum are putting some who were complicit on a pedestal for speaking up years later.
You know I am Canadian right? Card carrying Liberal. But thanks for making me laugh!
Can I make an assumption about you now? Were you sad when Bernie dropped out?
Also not defending Blizzard whatsoever. Just saying that propping people up who did nothing in the past is hypocrisy. Even worse still that they choose to go public rather than to the State to actually help.
G-guys stop listening to eyewitness! It’s making me feel bad because then I’ll have to confront my terrible addiction to this game I don’t want to stop playing for any reason even if it makes me look like a terrible human being by continued support at this specific time!
I rather say something, lose my job, be blacklisted and never work in the industry again. I mean people are saying its rampant in the industry anyways so why would anyone want to work in it?
If im in an environment I dont like, i get out of that environment.