plz, change sp back to pre legion. why you u ignoring our calls? u don’t have to add anything new just revert our spec like what you’re doing for ele sham. sp can still be lovecraftian w/o the icky tentacles. we would just be more Gothic side instead of sea creature.
I don’t know if it is “ignoring” per se.
I think it’s just the same Blizzard stubbornness where they think they know what we want better than we do. They have always been like this.
There is someone in a management position that likes the current state of Shadow and is refusing to let it be changed. Maybe because it was their idea to begin with.
I want it changed so bad, but I’m not getting my hopes up. I’ve been disappointed too much in BFA to even care anymore.
#removevoidform
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The people hate voidform mehcanic. Please bring back MoP/WoD orbs (with slight very minor adjustments).
Thank you and #removevoidform.
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Their not ignoring us. I believe their playing rope-a-dope. Play the silent card until beta when they can pull the “Not enough time card” (but enough time for every other class), then throw some buffs to placate the gullible that are still willing to play this class. Later slowly remove the buffs over 9.0, 9.1, and 9.2. Promise to fix for 10.0, and then repeat.
They did this horse-crock in Legion and BFA also. What Pope said is accurate. Someone in management probably staked their rep on Voidform, so removing it is out of the question. S/He won’t admit that they screwed up.
Thus it is far better to keep the players suffering under his/her ‘vision’, and just throw out some easily removed buffs; so as to cause infighting / debate among players. If we don’t hear anything within 2-3 weeks you have your answer.
Till then I’ll give them a bit of time to respond to Vampyral, since the Virus is affecting development.
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I actually think their silence is because they gonna change something.
Hear me out…because of BFA people are loosing faith in Blizz. Everyone keep saying that they are not listening to the community and riding there high horses. So I think they will pull a shadow priest rework (because every content creater have explained how horrible the spec is and it had garnered attention from the wow player base) to be like “see we do listen to the community” and raise hype for Shadowlands. its like a marketing move to backup there credibility.
the thing is will the rework be any better ?
Mind you this is all tin hat, conspiracy, and wishful thinking.
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I would love to share your optimism, but they did this twice when I pushed for Priest QoL improvements, and I’ve been in several prior alphas. Good on you for keeping the faith Heylaa. I really, really want to have the same, but until I see something concrete; I must assume business as usual.
It took me many years to become this jaded and cynical. Mind you if that changes, I will be the first to praise Blizzard. But at this point, I am tired of disappointments and promises that don’t get kept; while watching other classes which apparently they ‘did’ have the time for profit and excel.
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It’s disheartening.
Seeing feedback for Balance be implemented, but Spriest left in the dark. Every mention of Void from removal gets TONS of likes too.
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Right? 
I wish they’d give Priests the same amount of attention as they do with Druids
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I don’t subscribe to hyperbole, doomsday-speak, or exaggerations/misrepresentations of fact regardless of the medium.
No one is out to get you or your class/spec. There’s no secret conspiracy; Blizzard isn’t ‘ignoring’ ‘you’ (Not that the Priest subforum even represents a majority of all Priests to begin with). There’s no class-favoritism. One class getting a developer response doesn’t mean that every other class that didn’t/hasn’t gotten a developer response is being ignored.
Regarding this topic, what you think is true and what is actually true are two completely separate things and no amount of people telling you you’re right is going to change the facts of the matter.
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Again why are you here? you stated that you don’t care about the spec so please leave and stop silencing people. Let everyone express their opinion.
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Not even just talking about spriest here, but if they actively respond to and address player feedback in the druid alpha thread they should do it for other classes as well. Druids aren’t the only ones with concerns for their class design. I agree that no one is being ignored, but that still doesn’t negate the truth that communication is always nice.
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I don’t think anyone would argue that more communication is bad in of itself.
There isn’t 1 developer to 1 class, and truth be told, I would rather have silence than constant, redundant updates. Silence means they’re actively working. Progress is made in milestones and increments, and anything in-between that is going to essentially boil down to, “Yup, we’re still working on X.”
As someone who used to play Team Fortress 2 a lot, I understand the want to have lots of frequent status updates. But if Blizzard has nothing substantial to say, then there’s no point in making an update just to say, “We’re still working on X.”. People tend to confuse silence with “Not working”.
Sometimes it does. Historically, with respect to shadow changes, it hasn’t. I’d love to be proven wrong on this!
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I disagree on the basis that changes were made to Shadow in Legion/BFA. You may not have liked the changes, but changes were made and whether you like them or not means nothing with regards to whether they worked on the class. For reference, here are the Shadow Priest changes for BFA:
GCD changes. Borrowed power abilities becoming talents. Numbers tuning.
Changes that don’t address problems aren’t helpful. If you bring your car to the mechanic to get your transmission replaced and he says “well, I didn’t get to that, but I rotated your tires, replaced your wiper blades and cleaned your glovebox out” you can appreciate that he did something while still being kind of upset that the main thing that needed attention was ignored.
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Those three points you highlighted were done to every class in the game going into BFA and aren’t specific to Shadow Priests. That doesn’t change the fact that changes were made, refuting your argument of, “They were silent, therefore they weren’t working on Shadow Priests” as per your previous post.
Yes but Shadow was rebuilt/re-imagined from the ground up to fit a new Void/Old God direction with Legion and thus the Artifact was given significant amount of attention to support the new spec.
So when the artifact goes away in BFA, so do many of the traits propping up this “New” spec and that’s when all the hole became wildly apparent.
The same thing happened with the Demon Hunter as they were designed with the Legion Artifact system. They didn’t have a baseline prior to that so once they lost the Artifact Weapon, they became a husk compared to Legion.
You could argue all the other classes faced the same issue but they were for the most part still had a core set of abilities that were only enhanced in Legion. The Shadow Priest and Demon Hunter were built entirely around Legion Artifact Weapons.
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That’s the issue. Shadow has fundemental flaws with its design. Blanket “all class” general changes aren’t going to fix it. It needs changes specific to the spec
Blizzard giving everyone essences isn’t them fixing Shadow. It’s them giving everyone essences
I agree, except demon hunters are still top tier and more than viable in every aspect of the game. It just shows that a class can be good if Blizzards wants to put in the effort. Seems they just don’t with Shadow
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With the same “borrowed powers” sure.
I mean they are better then priest without borrowed power for sure I agree and because they are melee.
But that doesn’t disprove my point in that Demon Hunters still lost a lot at a base level.
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It’s more than that, they had…
- phenomenal baseline mobility
- amazing defensives with darkness and blur baseline, and also netherwalk talentable
- great utility with an aoe stun, offensive dispel, low CD interrupt (cause melee), and imprison being useful (Shackle undead still doesn’t work on 90% of undead…because reasons)
- And their damage was still good, and they had amazing aoe burst.
The only problem was it felt clunky to play. It was still amazing, just didn’t feel good. Shadow doesn’t feel good AND is completely terrible, so that’s the main difference.
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