As usual on forums, this discussion has devolved into everyone trying to one-up the next with snarky comments and jabs at how the other person should “git gud”.
Maybe the original OP could have been worded better but I think the spirit of what he was trying to convey was this… Let mobs get into position before you frost nova (if you really must frost nova). Fractured groups aren’t good for anyone.
Now everyone stop being contrarian jackasses and play nice.
Because of the community. The game play has degraded significantly, but the foundation is the same. Theoretically speaking, when i tried retail in the panda xpac I think for a few months, I would have liked it if it was based on Vanilla fundamentals.
I sit there and tank and get all the best items for my level because I’m a social person and I like interacting with people. I’m there to help people out. I keep track of the people i see out there in the world.
The carrot on the stick part of Vanilla is dead. It takes very little time to reach your goal - relative to in the past. But, the community is what keeps me here. That and there are enough “good apples” willing to learn.
My man 
that’s basically exactly what I’m saying
Yeah I must admit, these forums are weaponized cancer.
I’d like to say it’s better than reddit but honestly if I squint I can’t tell the difference
Oh well, I’m already “the worst tank on whitemane” because of this post lmfao 
I would agree with Neth minus one little statement made by OP saying that any mage that uses frost nova gets kicked from groups and raids. >.>
Again, not what I said.
From raids sure. If you’re frost novaing in raids you should be kicked period
In dungeons. Well, after this post I’ll probably kick mages doing it. But generally it’s based on severity, attitude, and how skilled the mage is.
But raids 100% you should never be frost novaing. Any competent GM would immediately kick a mage that did it twice after a warning
In 5 mans, a good tank only has to pull a lot of mobs, LOS them into a pile and then let the mages take over from there. With good heals and competent mages, a lot of instances don’t even need a tank at all in this version of the game. People are spamming dungeons with 4 mages and a priest all day, every day. It works.
Mage 1 casts frost nova, cone of cold, then starts spamming arcane explosion while moving away from the mobs; mage 2 casts frost nova, cone of cold, then starts spamming arcane explosion while moving away from the mobs; mage 3 casts frost nova, cone of cold, then starts spamming arcane explosion while moving away from the mobs; mage 4 runs in to cast frost nova, but all the mobs are already dead. Rinse, repeat.
Or if you want to play it safe and go slower, everyone rotates frost novas while spamming blizzard and standing in a straight line to each other to keep the mobs moving single-file. Or 2-3 mages do the blizzard layering while the one guy runs in to shatter combo and spam arcane explosion while jerking it over his dps.
OP, I think your problem is that most people who play this game are bad at it, and you’ve encountered too many bad mages who dps before the pull is completed. The solution to that is to just not play with those guys again, and add every good mage you meet to your friends list.
At the end of the day, mages are annoying. I choose to keep you alive because if you die, we’ll waste time in the dungeon to res you. If i could, I’d just leave you there to run back while we clear the rest of the dungeon.
After experiencing mages in general and especially here on the forums this is exactly my feeling on the subject.
I might have a no mage policy going forward it’s not worth it
Because he’s bad at the game, and doesn’t want to admit the problem is him. A tank that can’t hold agroo may as well be an empty spot.
on the bright side. mages may die off quick once they realize they have to share raid drops with 20+ other mages and it’ll likely take them over a year to gear out.
Mages: we don’t care what you want or what’s easier for you. We don’t care about the group or mechanics or dynamics. We’re going to do what we’re gonna do which is put up big pretty numbers whether it causes wipes or runbacks or deaths or a tank pulling his hair out because we’re mages and that’s what we do
And I get it, I mained a mage. But I would never shatter combo a pack right after a tank pulled. Hell I wouldn’t be shatter in the first place lmfao what am I level 40
Git gud bruh
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42 war tank here. I like frost nova, so long as mobs are relatively well grouped beforehand.
It lets me take my time getting aggro on strays during aoe because they can’t move around.
Thanks Mr. Mage!
wat?? do u even know how mages work?
the basic rotation for any AoE pull is:
Tank grouped mobs? > Frost Nova > Flame Strike + CoC shatter > Arcane Explosion spam.
I guess if you’re playing with a pooptank, you have to be a bit more careful on AoE pulls. AoE pull is anything with 5+ targets.
If it’s a small pull… who gives a poop? it’s faceroll easy…classic is like brainless easy.
This is the conclusion I’ve pretty much come to. This “tank” is simply not compatible with more aggressive / efficient mages. He wants to mark something with skull and that is the only thing that gets attacked. He would be better off not inviting mages at all and sticking with groups only consisting of rogues, hunters, and shadow priests. But then again, spriest threat…
Post of the year, maybe century. Well done and so true.
I will not stop using frost nova ever. I know when to use it and when not to. I don’t need some self inflated tool telling me otherwise. It is used to keep mobs off of you and the squishies in the back. So I use it then. If those people don’t know to move away from mobs hitting them then that’s on them, not me. I tried to help and they didn’t do their part. It’s not the mage’s fault so get over yourself.
Its only week 3? We got nothing but time lol. Who needs bis when ur level 50 in quest greens.
hence the ‘once they realize’ part
10 bucks says that the mages who mindlessly aoe dont know how mages actually work. Nor do they care.