Ohh gosh, the guy who hasnt healed since Normal Emerald Nightmare is arguing about healing duties…
I mean, I dont want to turn this into a pug suck discussion, we all know that. You just push yourself out of the mid key levels and into actually decent pugs, where you can actually play the game with people that know what an interrupt is.
When people are half competent at the game, the healer has less thing to heal. The fact is, that the best thing to do at that point is to dps as much as possible.
You’re correct, 1 person is able to take care of it. That being said, every healer is “that 1 person” to do it, so every healer is competing with the others to get those heals off to count.
It can be fun, it can be annoying, but it happens more often than people like or want.
It’s about the same as then, sometimes in some groups you have good players who take no unnecessary damage. That’s pretty rare, though, as there’s always someone parsing on WClogs and is standing in the bad to get their spells off or not moving to get a few abilities in.
Those players come more often than other types, and those are the ones healers often heal the most, too.
Yeah this is true in 99% of cases. Bad taunt swaps result in 1 shots which healers can’t heal through.
More often than not yeah it’s usually dungeons where people complain about healers not doing damage the most. Less in raids and more in dungeons since it’s 5 man content.
I don’t think healers should be doing damage. I think anytime they do, it should always be counted as “bonus” damage, much like how crits are extra damage.
So, it’s understandable to better skilled players that they are perplexed at others not putting in their full potential. Much to the real world when someone who works extremely hard and diligently runs across someone who isn’t; they would often ask “why aren’t you bringing out your full potential?” To which the other responds “why are you trying so hard?” or something.
It’s a mindset that both of them go against the other, much like looking left and right before crossing the street. You can look left or you can look right. You can’t look both left and right at the same exact time.
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Got to do better then that Mr dps aka not a healer its like a man telling a woman what she can dress like and when she can talk lol ok
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This is why Finding a middle ground is key, and I agree with ya.
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Yea thats what I mean when I said to do basic damage. keep sunfire on them and fill empty time with smite would do more damage than a lot of the people in here try to do.
I really like cat weaving personally and mained a resto cat for all of bfa.
I like intense healing too but tbh I dont think people actually want it. Intense healing weeks like grievous etc healers always complain and finding healers in lfg is always harder. Same with certain tyrannical bosses that are healing checks. You and I might like them but I honestly dont think the player base as a whole does.
no we were all just worse. Hence why I said
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I actually switched to Shaman (Resto / Enhancement) this patch cause I got so fed up with my resto druid dps being so garbo and with Balance losing it’s luster it finally made me put my druid aside. First time ever since I made this character in Wrath.
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More like high end content and group cooperation isn’t for you my friend.
You mean people want the option to “Not play”. Healers are entitled and lazy.
Maybe the Healers should do enough healing that the tank doesn’t need to use mitigation to pick up your slack?
you’re cute if you think that’s true and even cuter if you think tradition is a good argument in favor of something.
So I shouldn’t heal myself, CC, evasion tank, etc?
So they shouldn’t be healing themselves, mitigating damage (you should be healing it), CCing, etc?
ITT, Healers QQing they don’t get to have massive downtime between heals and refusing to help the group out of some inflated sense of entitlement.
Healers are lazy.
I like how the healers wanting to be lazy and force the DPS to cover their lack of ability are calling the DPS bad.
You’re literally admitting you don’t know how to press a damage button when you have no one to heal.
My literal title job is Damage Per Second, if you’re too terrible at your job to help the group outside of healing, then don’t expect me to lower my parse to stand outside of damaging mechanics.
“DPS ARE LAZY AND WANT US TO PICK UP THEIR SLACK BY DOING DAMAGE”
“DPS SHOULD STOP DOING DAMAGE AND HELP MAKE OUR JOB AS HEALERS EASIER”
The absolute lack of self-awareness.
Don’t ask the Tank to do damage or heal themselves, don’t ask the DPS to off tank, CC, heal themselves, or mitigate damage.
I’m a proud DPS, and I WILL stand in the fire because moving lowers my damage, and my job is literally DAMAGE.
Trash healers want us to pick up their slack because they don’t know how to heal. /s
Why should a DPS lower their damage to avoid AoE’s? Because it helps the group? A healer doing damage helps the group but according to you that’s not in your job description.
My job description is, quite literally, damage. Per. Second. If I’m spending a second to do something other than doing damage, like moving out of fire, healing, mitigating damage, I’m doing my job wrong according to your logic. So no. You don’t want to do damage, I don’t want to mitigate incoming damage, that’s your job.
Then don’t do competitive, high difficulty content, 4-5 minutes longer in content where healers doing DPS matters (mythic, world first, etc.) is a wipe to a enrage timer.
If I wipe your group by continually standing in fire and you couldn’t heal me enough, are you going to not say anything because I am “playing how I want”?
Then when I go on the forums and say we should remove the requirement to do mechanics, because it forces me to stop doing max DPS, are you going to support me because not doing mechanics is “My playstyle”?
In what way is “Boss dying faster is optimal” a SUBJECTIVE take?
Are you insane?
When I make a DPS, I want to do damage, not avoid mechanics.
There’s never been an option for me to stand in the fire and force the healers to heal me while I get max DPS.
I should have a choice.
If you cannot clear content without me moving out of the fire, then you’re doing content you cannot reasonably clear.
Get good, stop demanding DPS pick up your slack.
DPS shouldn’t be avoiding damage, that’s the tanks job, DPS should be standing in the fire to get maximum dps.
This statement is completely and utterly exclusive with this statement
If the Healer is only expected to stand still, and heal, and do nothing but press healing spells, then the DPS shouldn’t be expected to move out of fire, or assist any other members of the party.
If your job is to stand still and not participate outside of healing, then my job is to stand still and not participate outside of doing damage combos.
Stop asking me to leave the fire then.
Healers expecting people to leave fire to make their job easier. It’s MY playstyle and MY sub and I stand in fire so stop asking me to move out of the fire.
If you’re grouping with people too incompetent to self heal as a tank then you’re not part of the demographic that has healers doing DPS.
“I can’t stop healing, the tanks are too incompetent to not die if I’m not throwing out a heal every five seconds!” -A guy in LFR complaining about Healers doing DPS in Mythic raids.
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Funny thing is, that right now I dont have to tell healers to dps, they just do it on their own. The default is healers dps, in any good group.
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Lol sure …
Goodness, you thought that was a retort? You literally failed to even come up with a cogent reply in the very first response.
I’d like to say I’m impressed by the sheer failure of this, but these forums have drastically numbed me to hilariously bad responses.
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Goodness, you thought that was a retort? You literally failed to even come up with a cogent reply in the very first response.
I’d like to say I’m impressed by the sheer failure of this, but these forums have drastically numbed me to hilariously bad responses.
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You are really bad at this … lmao but hey Never change keep being you…
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Oh no… we’re gonna complain about you standing in the frikken fire for the 15th millionth time and refuse to res you.
Us asking you to pop a defensive CD or use a self heal periodically is a near zero effort change on your part. Do don’t have to change how you play, your rotation doesn’t get interrupted for more than a second or two and usually you have a hole in your rotation that can be filled with a heal or defensive CD easily enough.
You demanding for your healer to DPS on the other hand requires them to radically change their play style as well as split their focus between healing the party and damaging enemies… which by the way it is already split the same amount as yours between healing the party, avoiding damage, and interrupting (for those of us who actually still have interrupts anyways). And you now want to add DPS on top of that… ok… well your healing is going to take a cut so that your healer can DPS for you, and they might not get out of the fire in time because they needed to complete their rotation before their damage buff ended…oops the healer died because they were DPSing.
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You are really bad at this … lmao but hey Never change keep being you…
Awww sweetie keep trying you will get there
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Oh no… we’re gonna complain about you standing still and doing nothing to help the group for the 15th millionth time and refuse to bring you.
Us asking you to pop a offensive CD or use a DPS increase periodically is a near zero effort change on your part. You don’t have to change how you play, your rotation doesn’t get interrupted for more than a second or two and usually you have a hole in your rotation that can be filled with a DPS or damage CD easily enough.
You demanding for your DPS to Heal/Avoid damage/Mitigate damage on the other hand requires them to radically change their play style as well as split their focus between damaging enemies and avoiding damage… which by the way it is already split the same amount as yours between Damaging the enemy, Healing ourselves, and interrupting (for those of us who actually still have interrupts anyways). And you now want to add Avoiding Damage on top of that… ok… well the DPS is going to take a cut so that your DPS can Mitigate damage for you, and they might not DPS the boss to death in time because they needed to avoid the damage before they died…oops the Raid wiped because the DPS were avoiding damage and we hit enrage.
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Imitation is the by far the sincerest form of flattery.
They cannot come up with anything on their own, therefore they attempt to emulate those they see as having done this better than them, in an attempt to improve.
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Meanwhile, in even the most basic level of PVP, healers are weaving in damage. lol
It’s called Mocking, and the fact you can’t see how easily your own arguments can be used against you is sad.
Says the person repeating dialogue other healers lazily state like an NPC.
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