People with the mentality of “I shouldn’t have to give it my all in group content” don’t get to do group content so lmao.
Fair enough, that’s one of the nicer ways of asking and if people asked like that, a lot of the times, should it be asked in a nicer way some healers just don’t mind.
It’s usually, in my experience, things being said vulgarly, like “scrub healer needs to do damage” kinda thing and it’s like “you really can’t actually ask in a better way?”
What made up scenarios? I listed abilities to use, not scenarios. If you’re gonna goof, at least make it a funny or good goof, not a blatantly bad one.
So, correct me if I’m wrong but 5 buttons is 2 more buttons than 3, right? Pressing 3 buttons, then going to 5 you’re nearly doubling your button presses, which is 66% more work, almost 100% more work on button presses.
Again, show me where I’m wrong in this. Math is hard, please go back to middle school and learn how to math.
No, the fact is you have 2 different roles for 2 different players. They are both performing their roles, 1 of them happens to have down time. Now, you’re expecting the role with down time to put in more effort than what you are actually putting in and saying it’s not putting in more effort.
It full on is, and any person who says it ain’t doesn’t understand that 1+1 does, in fact, equal 2 mathematically and not biologically speaking.
That happens because you expect your healers to also dps, too. If they were solely healing, the tanks don’t die. If the tank doesn’t die, then you don’t need to Evasion tank. See how this all comes circle to just let the healers heal?
About DPS putting in MORE effort than a healer who is doing both DPSing AND healing? Yes, it never happens. Because the effort you are putting in as a DPS is not going to be higher than the effort a healer puts in to heal AND DPS.
Not. Going. To. Happen. Why? because GCDs are a thing, and it takes a lot more GCDS to do both heal and DPS.
By that logic I do 1 healing, rest is bonus healing. If you die, you die.
Actually, if that were the case you’d hardly have any actual healers in your groups to do group content with.
Better practice those Rogue heals, bro, band aids ain’t gonna use themselves.
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Sorry- sorry,
But you genuinely believe the player with more down time is putting in JUST as much effort as the person who is doing so much they have no downtime?
Legitimately trolling. If you have downtime, you AREN’T doing as much as the person who has no downtime, that’s just an objective fact.
Just because your definition of roles requires YOU to do LESS than everyone else to fulfill their roles, doesn’t mean you’re working just as hard as them.
Tanks die even when the Healers aren’t dpsing, it’s called a 1 shot mechanic, the thing you said you couldn’t heal through, but now you’re telling me “IF they were solely healing, nobody would die”?
I see you being obtuse and purposefully ignorant.
Legitimately rot brain. My DPS combos require more button presses than your healing does, and is a more complex rotation. Combining your Heals and DPS spells together to make a smooth rotation makes it as complex as a DPS’s more complex DPS rotation.
So you admit it, Healers have the “I shouldn’t have to give it my all in group content” mentality?
Glad to know you’re all lazy and admit it. Legitimately just proved my point.
We’re done here.
Healers were helping with dps before FF14 even came out.
M+ ruined healing for me. I used to be one of those people that just healed and didn’t really do DPS unless there was nothing else going on. But in comes M+ where you’re bound to a timer and every little bit helps… so not only are people going as fast as they possibly can and pulling multiple packs, you’re not left much room to drink and run to the next pull and now you’re having to spend mana on damage as opposed to getting a break from healing for a little bit to maybe regen some of it back by casting nothing.
It would be fine if healers didn’t do enough damage to justify contributing anyway, but I’ve been out-DPSed by healers on trash packs before because my cooldowns are ticking away and I’m building resources and a Shaman wants to drop a Vesper Totem and use it for damage, or whatever else healers have that can make them perform like a DPS. That’s absolutely worth it when trying to clear a timer. If that’s not enough, healing and DPSing at the same time, you’re also dealing with constant reasons to move out of things or stop casting because of Quaking or whatever.
You put that all together in a single package and it just stopped being fun.
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Have you considered that Mythic + and other high difficulty just isn’t for you?
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So like literally ever other role and spec in this game… using all your abilities and not afking?
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Switching targets? What competent healer in 2022 isnt using mouseovers or an addon to heal? Then you have the enemy targeted all the time.
Another one that hard targets party members to heal.
No shock its people healing in a very very suboptimal way that complain about being asked to press a few dps buttons.
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It’s affecting everything else in partied content. People run +2s like they’re +15s. You go into dungeons while leveling up and you get tanks that want to run 100 yards ahead, pull 4 packs at a time and AoE everything down while their HP bar is getting curb stomped and you’re trying to drink from the last pull where they did the same thing. M+ has contributed to this shift.
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My cat weaving is literally more button pressing than your combo point spending, full on. If you don’t think so, go look at how many buttons they need to press, you’ll see it’s a ridiculous amount.
Also, no rogue spec is complex? Enjoy that line of thinking, though, it’s a ride of 1.
Yes, actually, I did my job, you do yours. Both of our jobs are fully finished when the fighting ends and nobody’s in combat any longer, even still, yes it’s more effort keeping dps standing in the fire alive so they could do more damage.
That haste buff is applied to us as well while you’re in the fire.
Button presses/globals actually could say otherwise, but enjoy.
Tanks don’t often stand in 1 shot mechanics, so most of those are null and void. Even if they do, a lot of times they often have defensives up and pop them to not make it a 1 shot mechanic.
I didn’t say nobody would die, I said the tanks don’t die. There’s a difference.
No, I’m countering your points with my own. It’s neither being purposefully ignoring nor obtuse, it’s hitting your elitist a-hole attitude with a dose of casual attitude.
Glad to know you can keep the floor boss busy and occupied. Someone has to do it, right?
Myself 
No mouseovers, no macros, no UI except for bartender for bars, no WAs.
Just good old DBM, using the 1-7 keys on the keyboard, clicking everything else and tab targetting or click targeting with mouse.
Actually, no lol, but if you guys wanna think that way go for it.
It is funny to see someone say “interrupt X ability” on a +3 key. But, no worries.
So the problem isn’t that Healers should also contribute to group damage in high level content,
it’s that toxic players exist and therefore high level content shouldn’t exist? Interesting take.
That moon guard rogue hasn’t done a single M+, or killed a single raid boss this patch, or played a single rated pv game. They’re talking real big for someone who doesn’t even play the game, meaning they’re just a troll.
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Yeah, nah, that’s a load of hooey. That’s a definite falsehood.
Stop encouraging Blizzard to go down the esports route, while in the base game proper. Leave the esports tactics out, and go compete professionally.
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All I said was being a healer stopped being fun for me and became nothing but constant stress… even in content that doesn’t warrant that level of play. I can’t dictate the way other people play the game, but I can dictate what class and spec I play in response.
If you got “high level content shouldn’t exist” out of that then it’s pointless to continue.
Esport lol, using your kit is not some sweaty pro player move. People were doing dps as a healer long before m+ was a thing,l
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Hey FYI, your stress is reasonable and understandable. Don’t let that no prog rogue gaslight you.
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Coming from the guy with a private profile…
The anti button pressing andys are trolling at this point. Nobody makes a character in an rpg, sees 4 buttons that they haven’t pressed yet and just ignores them forever. Nobody thinks using your full kit means spamming every spell in your book every GCD either.
And honestly if you’re getting yelled at as a healer for not doing dmg you were likely also in a group where the dps took avoidable damage so my condolences to them regardless
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You would think they are trolling, but I really believe, based on a lot of these comments, a lot of people do roll healer in part because they want to be afk 40% of the time.
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