Stop complaining about having to do damage as a healer... all you have to do is weave in a few spells

Really tells ya who the Ana mains are and who the Mercy mains are, doesn’t it?

INB4 this thread gets deleted as well.

A lot of us post on alts to avoid exactly this sort of ad hominem attack.

Personally if there’s nothing to heal I’m bored. Plus, why sit there twiddling your thumbs when you can speed up a run? I played a tree back in the day when popping out to access any DPS abilities carried a huge healing penalty. Even then we’d run dungeons in elf form once we were geared to do some damage and make the umpteenth tedious badge run go a little faster.

Nobody is taking ANYTHING away from you, Drama Queen.

They need to fix the design. If they want hybrid classes, then make them. Disc Priest is a good example of Healing/DMG hybrid and people play that spec for that reason. Some of us want to heal, and WE should have that option as well. That is why there is different classes. Otherwise, everything is all the same. Button mash and rush through content as fast as you can.

It’s not about HOW to DPS and Heal, we all know how to do it. Some of us don’t find it fun. As such there should be classes and specs that cover BOTH playstyles. But you don’t want to hear that because then there is nothing to complain about…

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Enjoy the suspension

Sorry, I don’t quite understand the point of posting on an alt? Are people ashamed of what their main has or hasn’t done? No flame, just genuinely asking because I’ve always posted on my main, and maybe I’m inting?

Imagine wanting to avoid people raging out at you, breaking the code of conduct, and getting to watch them be suspended all because…

You didn’t play the current tier in the worst expansion since WoD and are giving your opinion?

It’s legitimately pathetic, and people who delve into this sort of tactic are the exact people who aren’t worth your time.

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What about this tier feels so bad? I know shadowlands has not been the greatest, but frankly I think this is the best content patch in the last 4 years.

The raid is super fun and challenging, the seasonal affix is great, and it has never been easier to roll up an alt and get them geared!

Genuinely curious :smiley:

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Pressing the buttons they programmed into the game when you have nothing else to do isn’t eSports lmao

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If you’re not bothered by ad hominem attacks, there is no reason not to post on your main.

An alt? Yes.

But coming back from my break to find I have to:

Replace all my gear, replace all my Conduits, get back to the Anima grind, get all the new/changed legendaries, do the story I already know is garbo, quest, and level up my sanctum or whatever.

It’s just a bit overwhelming really and I’m definitely not into it. Also, this game hasn’t been alt friendly in YEARS with all of the borrowed power.

Edit:
We also STILL don’t have the trench coats from BFA and I now have to wait until the next expansion to buy the PVP ““trench coat”” set since I never got enough conquest to buy the full set while it was current.

Also I went into sanctum of domination after missing out on AOTC in Narthia by 0.1% multiple times with my raiding group and Sanctum was even WORSE.

I’ve been enjoying Classic right now.

I don’t think healers must DPS, I think that they should DPS.

Whether or not healer DPS is required comes down to the tuning of the content. If the damage requirement of the content is high enough that the DPS alone cannot fulfill it, then it needs to be supplemented from somewhere else and the healers count as “somewhere else.” That isn’t really the case in all but the most difficult of content in WoW, so no healers aren’t required to DPS in this game.

However that doesn’t mean that healers doing damage isn’t a good idea. What’s true in WoW - and even more true at lower difficulties - is that healing is not always required at all times. The only hit point that matters is the last one and so long as healers are able to efficiently keep that last hit point from being lost then they are doing their job.

So what should a healer do if no one needs healing? They have 3 options: Do nothing, cast a healing spell which will over heal (aka: Doing nothing but it costs mana) or they can cast a damage spell. Regardless of how hard the content is one of those options is objectively better than the other two.

Roles in this game don’t describe your job, they describe your specialty. Being a healer doesn’t mean that the only way you can contribute to the group’s success is by healing. It means that is the way you will most frequently contribute to the group’s success. The vast majority of a group’s damage will come from the DPS, but not all of it. In a similar vein, DPS players should be attempting to use their healing abilities in useful ways as well. I make an effort to put my Preparatory Swiftness Regrowths on people who are hurt every CP cycle, and of course everyone has healthstones and health pots. The vast majority of a group’s healing will come from the healers, but not all of it.

Everyone’s “job” regardless of role is to do everything in their power to contribute to the group’s success. Being specialized in a certain type of contribution doesn’t change what your job is nor does it make you unable to contribute in other ways. It is simply good play to use your entire class toolkit to its maximum potential whether you’re a healer, DPS, or a tank.

Now since it’s not required, that means I’m not going to harp on people about it too much unless I’m doing extreme content with them. In all honesty, there’s only two groups of people whose performance I care about: My own and the guild members I mentor. If you’re not one of those two types of players then I honestly don’t care how optimal your play is. If you’re aware that it’s suboptimal and don’t do content where being optimal is required then all power to you. Enjoy yourself. So long as no one pretends that’s the optimal way to play then I don’t mind.

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The people who are against this must also think that dps classes shouldn’t use or have any kind of DR or self heal. It’s not like dps says ‘it’s your job to heal me, I shouldn’t have to put up a defensive.’

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No no, I made an obviously sarcastic post saying the same thing and it literally got flagged to oblivion and deleted.

See only HEALERS get to be afk 40% of the time and not put effort in. Us dirty DPS have to do 100x the work they do and we never get commended for it.

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I honestly was surprised that your post was deleted. It was snarky, yes. But I wouldn’t have called it trolling. I think there was some good discussion in that thread and it’s a shame that we lost it.

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You mass flag something enough a CM will delete it without question.

I guess sarcasm is illegal now.

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I mean, I just don’t get why someone wouldn’t want to hit some dps spells while healing.

On a druid, for example, at the very least, why wouldn’t you want to sunfire everything? That spell feels good. Or a shaman, chain lightning. Who doesn’t want to feel like darth sidious while also keeping the group alive?

Obviously there are packs and boss mechanics where a healer may have to just heal, but to say they shouldn’t have to dps at all? I just don’t understand why someone wouldn’t want to.

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That’s where I’m at. Regardless of how necessary it is, I don’t understand how people can look at the choice between “do nothing” and “do something” and think that nothing is the more attractive option.

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You realize that said person is a troll and poopooing on others’ prog, right? I’m just doing the same thing they are doing.

They have a choice to not put their name on their hot takes if they want but people are going to look at their high elf whining, their posts in this thread, and lack of prog and pin them as someone whose gameplay is exclusively grinding goldshire rep on their cringe helf using a human avatar.

And that’s your prerogative. I have dozens of alts, if I want to DPS, I’ll switch to one of my many DPS toons. The DPS spells in healer kits prior to the forcing of several classes into being DPS healers were for leveling.

Back in the day I played a holy paladin and if my few hundred DPS made or broke the group, it’s a bad group.

I don’t really enjoy the gogogogogo speed run mentality that has taken over the game. I think it’s toxic and I’d be happy if they made an alternative to m+ that is challenging without the rush and gave equal rewards. And again, dumping all my mana to do 400 DPS wasn’t really going to speed up a run that much to begin with back in the day when everyone else was doing 4-6k DPS.

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After you did lmao.

You are hilariously dishonest.

I knew getting that transfer two days ago was a good idea. It just exposes the absolute VITRIOL you people have for RPers.

I never have to worry about getting into a honest argument with vile people like you anymore, you’ll point at the Moonguard tag and absolutely lose your god damn minds.