Stop complaining about having to do damage as a healer... all you have to do is weave in a few spells

Hilarious considering I’m using YOUR arguments against you.

Nah, just heal through the damage. Sorry you just don’t know how to play. There’s a reason we need so many dps, meanwhile you healers exist solely to heal us.

So heal through the enrage baddie.

Yes.

Wow easy content where people want to be lazy has people…

Who want to be lazy?!!?!?!

Also how telling that a person who doesn’t even have AOTC is telling me “Most people don’t want to help the group or bring more effort than they feel they should have to”

Your job is to help the group. If you’re going to tell me I should bring extra damage so you can sit on your butt and do nothing inbetween heals, then you’re lazy.

IT’s called using your whole toolkit.

IF healing once every few seconds and doing nothing else is 100%, then you’re very very bad at math.

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So you agree, I shouldn’t be mitigating damage because that’s your job?

So heal me through the 1-shots and enrage. Asking me to do BOTH mitigating damage and dealing damage is more than 100% and is unfair.

Where exactly did the op suggest the game should be balanced around healer dps?

OP is right though, the best healers I ran with contributed damage during healing lulls.

I would like damage meters to reflect what damage actually resulted from you. For example, MW healer dps is low but if they’re hitting targets, that’s +5% physical damage, which can be a few thousand depending on your comp. And I should be able to get negative damage if I want for when I leap people into mechanics that kill them, taking away damage they would have done. TBF all damage belongs to the healer because they keep everyone alive (if they’re boring and good) because a dead dps does no dps.

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This post has now become more trolling then anything … I say just flag it and move on There going to just keep trolling. No matter what anyone has to say

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“Here’s how you can improve your gameplay-”

“This is trolling.”

Define real content, because if you want to look at the majority, a lot of players won’t even do a +15 key. What’s real content? Just like hardly anyone does mythic raiding, hardly anyone does higher end things. That’s why it’s amusing.

Yes and I’m using them right back at you, too. Round and round we go, in this circle we shall flow.

If you 1 shotted the boss, we wouldn’t need to worry bout any of this. Again, stop slacking and do more damage.

You realize this game is more casual than hardcore, right? Only the top of the top end is actually hardcore. If the hardcore stopped playing this game, barely anything would change other than it getting easier. If the casuals stopped playing this game, it would go up 100 times more expensive and get easier to bring the casuals back.

They outnumber you 100 to 1, soooo, yeah. They’re better than you for business, so what does it matter then?

Cool, I’ll get it at one point or another. Good job on looking me up, though. Someone gets a gold star.

I never said I wasn’t lazy, I said it’s not my job to do more damage. I also never said you needed to bring more damage. I said your job is to do damage. I, then, went on to say you needed to 1 shot the boss when you told me I needed to heal you through a 1 shot mechanic. Nothing more nothing less.

So using Fear on a boss, got it. Oh, wait, that doesn’t work. Hold on, let me cast Fear and Psychic Scream on a group of mobs, see how that goes, especially in a tight dungeon like Sanguine Depths or Waycrest or Tol Dagor.

Brilliant deduction, Watson, using your whole toolkit can get you many murlocs pulled in Gambit from fearing 1 murloc and they run off into other mobs.

It is doing, actually, 100% because if your job is to heal and you healed, then you did 100%. You’re just trying to move goalposts and say “if you’re not doing both my job and your job, then it’s not giving 100%” and that’s mathematically incorrect, friend. Me doing my job is 100%, anything more than that is actually, doing mathematically more than 100%.

Also while being a math nerd, if I press more buttons than I should or would be pressing, I am, in fact, doing more than 100%, too, in terms of GCDs.

An example: Tank takes damage, you use Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Lifebloom. You did 100% since you healed, they are at full. Congratulations! Now, we can be very simple with this to keep things in simplicity sake since kitty and owlweaving add way more globals effectively totally a lot more than 100%, actually more than 200% in terms of globals.

Rejuvenation+Lifebloom+Regrowth, 3 healing spells, 100%.
Add in Moonfire, add in Sunfire. 2 more spells totaling 5 spells, which is almost actually doubling normal spells already. Add in the fact that Moonfire is 1 target only per cast, so a group of mobs already doubles your GCDs usage on just 2 spells.

Congrats, you’ve been schooled in GCD usage. Even adding Moonfire or 1 Sunfire adds in 33-66% effort more than not doing them vs just the 3 HoTs.

If we take that even further, though, without comparing them to the HoTs and say just work itself, then those GCD usages actually accumulated into 200% more work because that’s 2 buttons, if you normally don’t press them, that you actually did press since even pressing 1 is technically speaking double the work vs not doing it.

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Stop slacking and heal me through the enrage.

You realize this thread isn’t about casual content?

Kekw, I wonder why Mythic exists then. It’s almost like the existence of the hardcore creates an incentive for the casuals to keep playing even if they know they’ll never get there.

I do 1dps, I did my job.

Stop talking about content you’re never going to do.

It doesn’t, most players in this entire game don’t actually watch world first and stuff. You compare this game to millions of subscribers, let’s say, and you see world first getting maybe hundreds of thousands of views. Maybe, on a good day, like day 1 of the race where it’s usually at its peak or the last day of the race to see who won, as in which country got it.

Other than that, most people don’t actually care.

You did, indeed, do your job.

Stop trying to be an a-hole.

It’s bonus damage, never should it ever be expected for healers to do damage any more than “bonuses” at work are your actually part of your salary. They’re not, they’re bonuses for a reason.

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You first.

Damage is damage.

Never should it be expected for DPS to avoid damage

Ah, it’s reached the point of projecting. Interesting. :thinking:

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I like how the comment “You should use your whole toolkit to help the group”

somehow translate to

“Wipe the raid on purpose”

and

“You should do your best to help the group”

is somehow being an a-hole.

Dude is just trolling at this point … Post has been flagged lol

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Flagging is not a dislike button.

I’m not, I’m telling you what more casual healers want, which is to not do damage, but they keep getting bashed for not doing damage in even stupidly low keys like +2s, 3s, and mythic 0s.

Player expectancy is the problem, and is the base cause for a lot of bad drama that goes around. The content that most players do will never require the healers to do damage.

Stupidity is stupidity, too.

The only thing I ever said avoid is a 1 shot auto death, just as I would advise against standing in the middle of a busy highway.

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True but know when to stop … If you keep saying the same thing over and over again its just trolling at this point

Do you report everyone who repeats themselves, because I feel like you would have to flag half this thread, on both sides.

It depends. My buddy is a 3k+ IO healer, I watch him dot every mob, etc. to stay super busy. His DPS might matter in 20+ keys? I duno for sure.

Where I just do 15’s and 16’s because all I care about is the seasonal mount and max vault gear, so I DPS some (think my end dungeon on an Hpriest DPS is usually around 2k, so nothing to write home about) but on weeks where healing is hard for me there may be some packs where I don’t DPS at all. It’s never a problem in those keys.

Ultimately I think it just falls on the content you want to do, and the kind of player you want to be. I’m content being an ‘okay’ player that does above average content. Some people want to be the best (or the best they can be), and to be the best you’ve got to put in the effort.

My god bother … Like i said know when to stop and walk away somethings are not worth it

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I’ll take that as a no.