Great perspective. It is blizzard’s duty to the players to recreate an authentic vanilla experience.
This addon, while possibly, disputably, and technically used by a fraction of a % of the player base during vanilla, does NOT emulate the true vanilla experience - the threat of rogues sneaking up on you at any time and the skill to be vigilant and prepared against that threat.
It literally gives you their levels, shows you the coordinates they were at once it scanned them, and allows you to click them without actually knowing where they are, highlighting them with a red circle and letting you know if they’re in range.
A lot of obvious rogue haters here, come on guys have some respect for yourself jeeze.
Spy needs to go and I’m not even a rogue. The fact that it’s warning you of players near by without them even casting anything is BS. I can get an idea of how many people are near by and target them before I even have the chance to see them on the screen, if you can think of a valid argument as to why that should be allowed in classic I applaud you but so far I’ve seen nothing but hate for rogues and people who think they deserve some kind of crutch because of the way they feel.
Take off the clown makeup, put the wig down. Spy needs to go.
It doesn’t actually do this. It can triangulate their position if multiple Spy users detect them, but it doesn’t do this normally.
I just posted this from another thread.
Here is another telling image
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/98/898/minimap1.jpg
I can see the markers, actually.
/spy config
Hit the + to open options. Go to data management. Click both share, and use data. Shows you locations on the map.
That is YOUR location, or the OTHER guy on your channels location.
You also can not really click them, if they are in stealth and not seen by you. Cant target them anymore.
It’s an addon, it isnt obfuscated, you can download it and look at it and see exactly what it does and how it works, and even change it to go off
every time someone opens a mage portal or what not.
If you want people not to see you stealth and talk about it, there is only 1 way this is possible, and it has nothing to do with spy.
You have to ask blizzard to strike self cast methods of being unseen (stealth, prowl, shadowmeld etc) from the combat logs.
Otherwise, there is 0 way to prevent what spy does, unless you break all addons, which Blizzard would almost guaranteed NOT do.
And even if you broke ALL addons, if stealth is still in the combat logs, i can do what spy does externally, it is not terribly hard.
I don’t use spy, and um i stealth and shadowmeld, druid? night elf? It’s a thing with us.
I kind of like my other addons that use the same API spy makes use of
Exactly. People get lost arguing over technicalities, eg whether it existed in vanilla. The fact of it was never an issue in vanilla becuase nobody used it and blizzard did not know about it.
It’s near universal use now, and it’s stealth detection feature that is immersion breaking and class design breaking, is the issue.
So when you use stealth some things you need to know.
It does not mean you cannot be seen until you gank you someone, in fact you can be seen by anyone near you at anytime.
It actually does not mean you can’t move while stealthed, you can, if you stealth then sit still and get found that’s your own fault.
im a rogue and im telling you that no its does not make being a rogue harder.
It always gives me the X/Y coordinates of everyone it scans, at the time they were spotted.
It’s unfair. I shouldn’t be allowed to know that, and it’s resulted in 100s of dead horde because of it.
It gives me “Last seen @” coordinates. Why am I allowed to know that information? Furthermore, what’s stopping priests from mind-visioning a target it scans and using the add on to target them without knowing their location?
Okay level 39 rogue, great imput! I’m also a mage since I have a level 37 mage, right? Oh, and I am also a warrior and a shaman, since I have alts of those as well.
Lol, a level 39 rogue giving a 60 rogue advice. Oh, killin’ me over here.
oh look no counter argument so let an attempt at character assassination. like that invalidates anything. though i would find it funny that the 39 doesn’t seem to have issues ganking yet the 60 claims its super hard because of an addon. it would almost be like the 60 is bad at being a rogue.
Get out of Dun Morogh and you’ll level quicker…
You’re statement is “no its does not make being a rogue harder” when that is objectively false as the Spy addon directly correlates with the awareness of enemy players on your presence where without the mod they would have no idea you are nearby, the mod is capable of putting players on your target list before you can ever physically seem them even unstealthed.
as a person that actually uses the addon the only advantage is a heads up. which means the counter when it comes to ganking a spy user is waiting them out. you stealth the second you see them and spend the time shadowing them waiting for them to believe that you have moved off.
I too have the addon installed for my own research purposes but haven’t been using it in PvP since I now understand the full functionality of the mod and despise it. My opinion of the mod is not based on any other user input and solely my own experience which is backed by 10+ years of PvP from classic until BFA, I also play a lot of FPS games and am a competitive multiplayer gamer.
You claim “the counter when it comes to ganking a spy user is waiting them out.” supports me calling out on your weak argument. By saying this you forfeit your original point.
Spy clearly gives an advantage, in which it makes it harder to play your class well, this is a direct counter to your argument “no its does not make being a rogue harder” which is false.
If you agree that Spy is not an issue then you should see no issue having it removed from the game through modification restriction.
just gonna boil that comment down to what you basicly said which is ie your wrong because i say your wrong
thats not an argument, thats you sticking your fingers in your ears making baby sounds.
I gave you a way to counter it other have have posted other ways of getting around spy. The thing is all spy does is put a player on edge. ie the enemy player becomes a mercat. They can’t track you they don’t know where your coming from so unless they are a hunter or a lock they cant counter your stealth. The only way your get caught as a rogue by one of the other classes is rushing your target before cloaking ie you cloak as your going in for the attack this gives away not only your location but if they have a aoe they can even pop you out stealth because they saw you after getting the alert that you were in the area.
I have never been popped out of stealth outside of a dual and thats a different situation. all i do is run around and when i hear the ping i slam the stealth button and start to lurk. because i dropped into stealth the second i got the ping it means i was already invisible when my soon to be victim got the ping and started scanning for a threat. I do not get anywhere near the opposite faction without being in stealth.
if its not an issue then why get rid of it? ah my leg is not an issue better cut it off. also you can’t get rid of spy. all it is doing is reading the combat log then casting the target player macro.
wow not a fps and mmo really are not built to be “competitive”
you claim 10+ years then you should damn well know about people playing with detached filtered combat logs running a target enemy player macro. I did it my first guild did it every single hardcore pvper i knew on van did it. players have always been able to be alerted when an enemy player was close to them.