State of the ladder: S2 participation is around a third of what it was in Season 1

Strange, I recall people complaining about gearing and class balance even in MoP / WoD.

SL PvP system is the best system they could have added for an MMORPG. It makes the gear grind feel rewarding every step of the way!

Casuals complain all the time. Doesn’t mean those expacs weren’t the pinnacle of pvp gearing/class balance.

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ppl still taking the discount bloomsday’s baits ;(

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Yup… People have legit got to stop feeding the trolls

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Class balance has been the only thing to last xpac to xpac about gearing.

For gearing, only complaint was the minority of posters talking about “muh progression” at least those posters were honest in that their motivations were “I just want to one shot kids in reg bgs”

Boring sums up this meta. Look its a cool one shot set up through defensives. Look they used their only viable defensive. No worries there is another high output offensive cooldown.
Played every season and there has always been some cheese. This season is the worse on multiple levels.
LFG is full of WTS ratings. Glads playing in the 1500’s. This seasons participation will not get better if this is the season meta. People will check it out and then move on with their lives.

people say this literally every season

most seasons mmr doesn’t really find it’s footing until like week 8-10

i remember every bfa season countless posts “WHY AM I SEEING GLADS AT 1800 LMAO.”

the truth is most bfa and sl glads are 1800 players that just played a ton of games when inflation let them climb

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No the gear and mounts say enough. Either people are not queing or something is off.
Regardless of the glads playing in the bottom tier for kicks. The meta is not fun.

Pvp used to keep me around. After I get AOTC with my guild I will quit again.

Game is complete trash. The issues are apparent. Fixes would be simple.

Remember when Blizzard said arenas were doing great because participation was really high at the start of 9.0 when pvers were kind of forced to do pvp for faster progression?

It was obvious why participation was high. And it was obvious what was going to happen later.

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Except it wasn’t just casuals complaining.

Gearing shouldnt changed from MoP. In mop you can get conquest gear by playing normal bg, it was perfect there was pvp everywhere

You can get conquest gear from winning BG’s in SL as well? I don’t see your point.

lmfao it was the first season ever for cutoffs to go DOWN as the season progressed

by april the ladder was completely dead

MoP conquest gear was BIS at any rating so 100% of pvp players got BIS gear from grinding conquest (the conquest grind was also shorter to hit your cap every week)

SL conquest gear is bad unless you hit 1800 (which is less than 30% of players, maybe 20-25%) and isn’t BIS until you hit 2100 (which is less than 10% of players, maybe 5-7%))

if you can’t hit 1800, pve is frequently a far more feasible gearing path for a ton of pvp players or they just skip arena entirely and thus skip the rating grind and thus skip the only way to make pvp gearing attractive in any reasonable assessment of whether your time is well spent

don’t argue about semantics as the guy was obviously talking about the entire MoP conquest gearing system, semantics is just trolling

Can’t remember exactly how it was laid out for random bg conquest generation but I think it was just a fixed number per win instead of SL’s tedious system of ‘must login every day or be punished’ where you can win one bg per day for meaningful conquest instead of choosing your time to grind per week

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Don’t forget they also upped conquest gain if you were behind on cap too

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nobody likes getting on their under geared alt to join a match and get 16k fel rushed into a 18khunt with a 20k dot following, or having warriors in 20%dr either 10k condemn charging them all game long or if kyr/necro throwing out 30k ms/executes. even if gear wasnt a problem balancing is garbage.

everyone leaving the game actually has 0 to do with the lawsuit and everything to do with the game being miserable to play and complete trash, im glad i got my 1800 tmog early before everyone got geared bc wow, this is actually making me miss bfa which is nuts.

i also partially blame all of the players with the “let the meta develop organically” idiocy, things that are being called out by everyone and their mother to be nerfed, should probably be nerfed. Sl could have been salvaged early on if so many people didn’t spew that garbage everywhere.

My 199 ilvl Holy Priest has been very popular with DH’s Hunts in random BGs so far today. LOL But yeah, alting in this game is trash right now, unless you do M+ in which case you can get a toon to a fairly respectable ilvl in a couple days BUT with zero guarantee that any of your gear is going to have vers, and that’s if you no-life spam keys.

I would very much like to be playing PVP in a climate I read about where honor gear was nearly as good as conquest, and BIS PVP gear wasn’t a monumental chore to obtain on an alt.

My favorite thing to do in WoW is arena.

Yet I haven’t set foot in one since 9.1 knowing I’m only going to face 50k+ HP players at 1400 mmr playing my 30k HP chars. It’s demoralizing and an uphill battle doesn’t sound like a challenge this time, but an annoyance instead.

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Bloomsday’s relative I presume? :thinking: :face_with_raised_eyebrow: