ww w.archon. gg/wow
We’re S teir… Yup. PI, mass dispell, ve, the defensives, the damage. S tier.
It’s honestly in such a good place that both hero talent tree’s are equally viable in all content.
Shadow crash may feel bad. But shadow is far from bad.
is this bait?
No, it’s not.
The OP has established their position that something being powerful means it’s well designed.
Anyone that’s played shadow for more than a season knows this untrue, but the OP (based on their name and achievements) has only been playing priest since S4 Dragonflight. They haven’t been on the ride long enough to get frustrated with how little priest can do to interact with the game.
Translation – They have tuned our numbers high enough to be competitive but the class is still outdated, feels clunky and bad to play, but hey numbers.
Op took a break, and played spriest vanilla -legion. The reality is Priest forum 
, priest discord 
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Which makes it even more upsetting and frustrating knowing and experiencing the amount of freedom and choice granted from the WoD talents/utility only to be taken away and hence forth locked away from modern memory.
The problems priest has didn’t become real problems until after Legion.
Clearly you’ve never been in the priest discord during development cycles.
I’ve been in it in tww. And I can’t stand the posts how people are mad they aren’t #1 DPS with pressing mind flay.
Just this last week even, my god, you can go full burst, and solo affixes with mass dispell, what other DPS can do that?
From my perspective priest is legions entire talent choice tree highlighted in all rows but sotm. It feels strong. You can void blast, or dark ascension at equal levels. Maybe 2 weeks ago with only archon it was weird, now, dude, were blasting. Void blasts making chaos bolts look small.
Any shaman. And shaman also has the best kick in the game, has multiple CC options (shining force…), is way faster in combat than priest, has Vampiric Embrace, and can cleanse multiple debuff types. They basically do everything priest can do and more, do it with far less effort, and demonstrate that Blizzard’s long-held position that priest can’t have x/y/z is complete BS.
And the ability to cleanse the affix debuff off the whole group is also irrelevant when almost every class can effortlessly cleanse the debuff from themselves in a single global and, if they can’t, the healer can strip it with heals or their own dispel if needed.
Nobody here is complaining about damage. No serious people were complaining about damage even when damage was terrible.
People are complaining about design.
The Priest discord has been in a perpetual cycle of ‘It’s so over, bros’ about the actual gameplay design of Priest since Dragonflight launch. Literally what are you talking about? Tuning isn’t the issue.
very much so.
To be fair… Im complaining about damage. The massive drop off due to our mobility issues. I made an entire new talent choice just to fix the mobility issue. Wowhead currently sgguest the T-idol build but thats def if you can sit and cast which most fights you cannot.
When your definition of S tier encompasses every dps class in the game except monk, dh, and hunter I don’t think you’re really making much of a distinction.
Shadow is ok at some things, kinda good at others, and very bad at most.
What’s it bad at? The awakening machine?
Raid dps is middling, spec has some of the lowest survivability rates across all bosses, mobility is abysmal, and the spec has as close to zero snap / Burst AoE as one can realistically have.
M+ damage is actually kinda fine at this point. It’s not as good as any of the top contenders but as long as you aren’t doing super low keys you can hold your own.
Void blast damage is far from the high point of shadow. It’s hitting for a little bit less than a regular old mind blast should be hitting for. The numbers are all misallocated. We feel strong because they are high, but the utility is still lacking and spells which should feel good to press still feel like spinning wheels.
So middle of the pack is bad? This, this right here why I made this post, priest official forums won’t be happy until it’s emerald nightmare 20% the damage of a 15 man.
It would have been more accurate to say middling At best.
Best performance not counting the ludicrously small sample size on current Silken Court is 11th on Sikran. Next best in 14th on Rasha’nan, and beyond that it’s bottom 6 on Kyveza, Bottom 3 on Ulgrax, Bottom 3 on Ovinax, and bottom 10 on Bloodbound.
Also nice of you to choose to ignore the other 4 things I mentioed.
You didn’t make the post to claim the forum isn’t happy if priest is doing just fine - you presented the premise that shadow is one of the best classes in the game - that’s what “S tier” is implied to mean - and that complaints about bad design aren’t warranted because of shadow’s power level.
Then you pivoted to “being in the middle is fine”. And being in the middle is fine…if the class has okay or good design. Shadow, and priest, does not and its weaknesses are obscured by every other class being able to cover for priest.