Put plainly. Shadow is not good enough at the things it is good at to justify being this bad at the things it is bad at.
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No, the Priest official forums have been complaining about archaic class design mostly, and the lack of changes our class received for the entirety of the beta cycle.
Some Shadow Priests here had been complaining about damage before the Shadow buffs/tuning, and rightly so.
No, Shadow damage isn’t egregiously low anymore, but that doesn’t absolve the class of its many other problems. (Mobility, survivability, utility concerns, etc.)
You can crank the damage knobs up all day as much as you want. Even as high as they were (relatively) during Dragonflight when god comp was a thing. The class can be “made to work” or should I say “forced to work”, but the underlying rot needs to be resolved rather than putting a bandaid over it, and calling it “S-tier”.
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Survivability and movement are both solved by using the tools of the game. You can get 20% speed just enchanting and gemming correctly. Like elden ring, it’s a git gud, use the tools of the game thing, because players are 100% timing +14s as shadow.
Utility, did you play last week’s affix? Mass dispell is godly.
That everyone has access to.
Shadow is statistically the second highest likelihood dps class to die amongst the top 10% of players on mythic.
Not sure what exactly you want to argue there.
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Like Hpellipsis said, literally every other class has access to these tools as well. I have Engineering on my Priest for Nitro Boosts from Wrath of the frickin’ Lich King. So please don’t tell me I don’t use these tools. Many Priests do.
Mass Dispel was nerfed into the ground in Dragonflight from 45 seconds to 2-mins. Absolutely gutted one of our biggest pieces of utility- all because Blizzard made and oopsie-poopsie, and designed Dragonflight M+ dungeons to just so happen to be perfectly countered by Mass Dispel. Then, they left the spell in its gutted state in the new expansion for no good reason. It’s a shadow of its former self.
And to answer your question, yes, I did play the affix, and yes it felt nice. But Mass Dispel is still 2-minutes. It isn’t like you had it every single time. Meanwhile, we still can’t cleanse curses or poisons, which are more abundant and powerful than ever- and disease effects are extremely rare.
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We should not look at mythic. No spriest had beaten Queen. There’s like 200 people doing mythic, and all of that is prog by non world first guilds.
Post is also about m+. Other classes have access to speed, but would be stupid to do so. They need avoidance, or leech, shadow has 50% leech on a button they don’t.
Bait used to be believable
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Yeah, you’re probably right. But it wasn’t so outrageous that I weighed the pros and cons on it, and if anyone else comes in and reads, they’ll at least be able to glean some truth.
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They should also know the class is incredibly strong in the right hands in m+. The 100+ qq threads of like im 400k DPS under people same ilvl as me have to stop. If someone thinks they don’t get invited to groups because they’re shadow, that is why, the constant whining on the internet, and to their guild about it. Casual gamers will see that and think the class is bricked. And they have.
Tuning something that is dreadfully un-fun to play to be good is not, in-fact, good game design. Holy could have more output than god and I’d still find the playstyle in dungeons dreadful. Ditto for Shadow as a whole.
Points to Ralecgos.
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You’re right on holy tho lol, that is bricked. Doesn’t even have a personal. I actually would not invite holy to anything other than maybe ovinax, and that’s just because they’ll be healing while dead.
I’m really tired of hearing this. The “right hands” will make any class seem incredibly strong.
Someone with the “right hands” will perform 10x higher on something like a Resto Shaman. Why use your “right hands” on a class that holds you back??
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Well the median average parse being 70 does make it that. There are mistakes being made by most. Shadows bell curve starts way later than other classes
…that doesn’t even make sense.
You can set the percentile yourself, it doesn’t make it look any better.
The bar graph that shows the overall, the median line in the main group is 70. It’s skews left a lot as well. The data shows people are messing up, and that may be class design with a highly complicated rotation.
Cool. So, to perform on the class, you have to play like a robot. Sounds reasonable. I’m sure other classes are held to the same standard.
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…So select the percentile yourself? That way you can discount them?
No that’s just how statistics work, they teach you how to read these graphs in high school. Most people are in the 60-80 range.
…so select the percentile yourself…
Yeah, 95% heroic looks about right in the placing. The no mistakes tier.