i really wish they figured out a way to make caster and melee hpal work.
i love caster hpal but it seems after wrath they’re stuck with this melee thing still…
please make it work, please. disc priest can have 2 different types of build
(shield/shadowfiend build currently) but you guys just can’t get melee/caster hpal right?
like why? legit right now there is no difference between the builds as it like 1-2 traits that matter but barely, lol.
like come on man it sucks.
The last time they tried it was in 10.1.5. What a disaster was that.
Also they removed HI not long ago, so seems like they are moving away from differentiating both playstyles and just merging them in one.
Which, not preferred, but it’s certainly better than the mess it was.
They adamantly refuse to design us like MW where the divide between melee and caster is a primary skill, but has historically done the divide by just making set of abilities absolutely garbage.
If they’re plan is to now have us do a mix of both, again I feel that’s the best long term solution.
also why is holy light like 100x more mp?
i don’t see any traits letting me half that mp it’s so bad dude. that’s gotta be a typo in the script…
they really just don’t want us range lol
Hpal is so clunky. Whoever designed it should be ashamed
Casting is absolutely butt crack.
At 609 I was in a plus 8, there was aoe DMG going out, I had three holy power and two GCD left with virtue still on my allies. I chose to wog then diving toll. The tick was so much and that I died before I could cast the triple holy shock.
Sure there was many ways to do it better, specially with better anticipation, but the fact is, casting would only make the issue greater.
Casting is not only weak, but also dangerous. It would need to be three times stronger to be worth casting.
If people really want to cast, it should be three times stronger and twice as much mana. So that we have something that can actually help, but without worry of it being spammed.
I hate casting tho. There’s a million ways to make melee work.
-bring back holy infusion
-take virtue off the GCD
-make infusion work for another ability (not flash or holy light, perhaps it could make crusader strike generate two holy power)
-make avenging crusader have 100% up time, but provide no additional cool down reduction)
-take sotr off the GCD
-infusion could make hammer or wrath usable, also make veneration useful
Also why are our healing abilities that we choose to use for single target the same as the ones we want for AOE? (Obviously paired with virtue)
Take virtue off gcd and make light of dawn work in some sort of way like dream breath.
Nerfs come and go but i think about that when i remember how fun some classes were compared to today…
I even dumped my druid main because i cant get used to it in tww…
Glimmer is terrible, in pvp is even more stupid
Terrible talent
Nah it’s all good… It just went unused for an entire expansion, they completely redesigned it and it’s still so badly tuned that it’s not going to be taken again. GG
It also does go to show how lowly tuned that part of our tree is that we even contemplated taking a talent that is negative in total HPS value.
I mean, could make the argument that 35% extra spot healing power for HS would come extremely handy to quickly save someone when heavy ST/Aoe is going out. A dead DPS does 0 dps afterall.
The issue is LotM has some core issues now:
In beta, LotM was decent because Holy Shock was effectively 24% stronger, making LotM Holy shocks 67.5% stronger than retail version of Holy Paladin, that WAS A LOT of spot healing. Not only that but stronger holy shocks also means way way stronger Divine tolls!
Holy shock is considerably weaker now, not as weak as DF’s Holy shock, but definitely weaker, making the talent pointless.
If you are adding the extra risk of killing yourself if you are not managing the debuff properly, then why not make LotM an overall healing gain instead of a loss? There’s just not enough pros to LotM to consider taking 2 talents points at this moment for a potential risk, and its a shame, since no other healer has a mechanic quite like this.
Holy Paladin is not in a bad state.
I will recommend to my brothers of the light to practice the timing of the virtue if you want to heal above 7 for AoE healing. Target yourself with the first EF since you will heal more yourself + the stacks of the tier set. that will pump bars across the party (Just a tip).
Overall, we are fine but by no means we are the best healer. Representation can be deceiving. if you see the HPs of the higher keys you will find out that Monk, Evoker and Priest can pump more than us. it’s that evoker has to compete against aug and Monk doesn’t have our Utilities and DR.
But we are fine. Damage buff and maybe 4% healing will be nice tho.
I’m hating LotM less now that I’m in 6s and 7s. Having that extra spot healing power at the moment I need it has a lot more value than an EF I’ll toss on myself to cover the absorb a few GCDs later. I’m not taking it for raid though.
Drawing a blank on EF?
Eternal Flame (WoG)
Oh haha duh. Still just think of it at wog in my head lol
I don’t think I ever stated this, just that we are not as strong as like in beta. I still think we are easily the third or second best healer.
What I think its that the latest nerfs were not warranted and could be handled in a different way, since the nerfs were targeting Hpal power in Heroic Raids via overall HPS in Sun’s Avatar and Dawnlight, which let me remind you, are still bugged and overperforming in raid.
Instead of the 6% overall nerf, 18% nerf to HS, 15% nerfs to WoG and removal of HI (specially because SotR still needs 3 HP and our DPS is still the worse), fixing Herald would have been a better first step for raid HPS. Still, paladin is not in trouble by any means, I’ve been doing some 10s since first/second week and don’t think healing was ever the issue there. If anything, it feels fantastic compared to post 10.1.7 Holy paladin in every conceivable way.
But anyway, just wished LotM was better since its such an unique mechanic that no other healer has.
Again. Wrong. Stop falsley pushing this narrative. Doing so will cause idiotic nerfs.
yes, and now we will be noticeably worse. because we are getting nerfed another 5%
It FELT fantastic in beta.
Not anymore.
Hpal has been nerfed for 11% now.
As a comparison S2 rework was nerfed by 22% in flat aura nerfs, had button bloat and mana issues. This warranted Hpal F tier healer status for two seasons.
Current state would be the worst healer for M+ with Hpriest. I’m not defending the latest nerfs nor the state of the spec anymore, but this is actual data from what happened in the past.
Did you even play DF?
The nerfs were idiotic, and we were advocating for a correct approach to balance/tuning the spec without having to do blanket nerfs. Which of course, didn’t happen.
The fact that you can’t understand this just tells me you have not really much idea of the state of the healers, and not idea of what was causing Hpal to perform well in the first place, like, at all. At any point. Nor the state Hpal was in before TWW/during DF.
And since you are so insistent on taking it personally, I’m 8/8 Heroic and I have heal up to 10s keys. I have 9s on farm since week 1. WIthout breaking a sweat, yet you have only done 3+ at most. You have not cleared Heroic raid as well, and yet you critized normal raiders that brag about HPS in raid without even entering Mythic Raid levels.
The fact that after just this latest nerf the spec will be on the bottom of the barrel doesnt validate your previous takes of 1 month ago. Even though we all now agreed on the state of Hpal for once, doesn’t prove you have an idea of what you are talking about.
If you want to create 3 posts about why Hpal sucks and you will cancel your subscription like in the past, now it’s the time.