State of Beastmaster Hunter

Classes Hunter
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Oh you don’t like mythic stats, here’s the heroic then:

BM hunter: 19.8
MM hunter: 24.43
Havoc dh: 24.99
Fury warrior: 25.75
Ret pally: 26.92
Arcane mage: 29.45

Wow this is so shocking, the order in this list looks identical to the mythic one. If anything has to be said, for regular players doing heroic, BM is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than any of these other specs listed. Maybe you should’ve just accepted the mythic stats where bm was reasonably close to the other specs.

Yes your opinion is your own. You are free to believe whatever you want. However biased or misguided it may be.

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Still not how those stats work. lol

Dude, why are you so obsessed with me? Slow night? Whatever it is, I hope you work past it. I’m going to bed. Long day tomorrow.

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“this don’t support my opinion, it doesn’t count”

– Your entire argument for this whole thread

Like I said. Biased and misguided.

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BM is definitely one of if not the easiest spec to play.

That said, I don’t think it should by default do less damage. I don’t think that’s great game design. Part of BM’s issue is there are options within the talents to add rotational complexity, which are great and welcome additions! But literally all of the best talents are completely passive, with some of those really should just be baked into the spec in some fashion IMO.

Direbeast is a great example of that, giving you a 20 second CD to use on CD while making sure to keep frenzy at three, or optimizing MoC usage, etc. But because all of the active talents are so far behind the passive options, there’s literally no reason to take them.

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Enhancer: 14,02
SV: 12,83
Assa: 12,58
Unholy-DK: 13,66
Outlaw: 14,07

This just in: Assassination officially easiest spec in the game!
Unholy and SV even easier than Havoc!
BM way more difficult than Unholy.
Or maybe, just maybe, you are drawing a flawed conclusion from this data…

I mean, i really like that youre trying to use actual data to make your point, which is a thing that way more people should do. But in this data there are a lot more variables that lead to these discrepancies, which you cant just ignore.

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fortunately you don’t have to be the best of the best, or even mediocre, to play BM at max effectiveness

players who can’t reach this exceedingly low bar probably should not concern themselves too much with logs and simply learn how to play the game first, and stay away from any “challenging” content

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I mean yea, actually. You can say those things. Survival has almost no parses relatively but as for the others you can actually say assa/unholy is easier than bm given 2 mythic level players. Even if both assa/unholy has 15 extra steps in their rotation, messing up the rotation impacts your dps even less than bm for mythic level players.

And in heroic where more regular people play, bm is rock bottom.

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Yea the fact that you think ilvl is the be all end all and that every character who has terribly optimized 223 gear should outdps anyone 7 ilvls lower tells me all i need to know about your opinion. Funny, the city is supposed to take my garbage for me every thursday, guess they left your judgment on the curb

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You obviously didn’t read the whole reply. It’s NOT about ilvl, it’s NOT about gear. Class tuning, ring a bell? Why did Warriors during their low, which was 20th place next to Demo Lock, Rogue and BM/SURV Hunter receive 5 major/minors buffs over the few past months that placed them in near Top 10 DPS Rankings yet you as MM we’re Top 5 in DPS but NOW, Fury Warriors OUT DPS MM Hunters in Mythic CN content based on cold hard black and white data logs. Is it because of their gear? Mmmm, nope. Item Level? Nope…don’t think so. Ahh, yes, Class Tuning.

MM Hunters from the start of Shadowlands came running out of the gates out DPS’ing BM Hunters. Tell me again, how many times did MM Hunters get buffed?..oh, 4 times? geee, that’s cool. How many times for BM…2 the most which included the blanket 5% DMG increase? Gee, that’s cool. Fury Warriors received more buffs, better talent choices and better covenant ST or AoE dmg output. “But…but, muh muh M+21 timed keys, AOTC and 10/10M CN says my Hunter is better!!” Yea, for IO score and achieve…wooohoo :clap: :clap: :clap: gz to you bro!! That’s it, you look good on paper. Paper Champ! What’s next for you WoW MDI or Race to World First since you’re a MM. Surely you can be good enough right…oh…wait, nvm. Paper Champ, I forgot. You can time +21, 22, 23, AOTC, 10/10M CN, the fact that BM’s and majority of “average”/“max” DPS BM Hunters IAW wowmeta are near dead last for Mythic CN says ALOT BM’s need class tuning. We don’t need to be Top 5 or Top 1st for DPS Rankings, we are not widely represented for high end content, the weekly or bi-weekly CN Raid DPS Rankings from WoWhead will tell you that. Where have you seen BM Hunters represent WoW MDI :x:? WoW AWC :x:? (crickets…), Race to World First…maybe 2 the most? Ahh, but what about MM Hunters? Well…MM represented in AWC :white_check_mark:, MDI :white_check_mark:and RTWF :white_check_mark:, not too often, but, they have been in them more than BM Hunters. Could it be they are MORE viable for high end content? I’m taking a guess here, but I’m going to say, yes!

You’ve pointed out my two trinkets and no raiding contributes to why my “average” 4.5k DPS (which again if you’ve read my post, 4.7k DPS is AVERAGE DPS and that’s in a MYTHIC RAID) Are you delusional? Have you actually played Hunter or is this your first time? So, If I’m actually clocking 4.5k DPS on “average”…I’m basically conducting “average” Mythic CN DPS and I don’t even RAID…LOL. Do you understand now? Can you say you’re pumping maximum Mythic CN MM Hunter DPS at 9.6k DPS every run with your ilvl and gear? It’s gotta be your gear, I’m sure. Oh wait…you’re Marksmanship Hunter, gee, no wonder, the META spec since launch, (slaps hand on forehead), stupid me…you’re right, it’s NOT about ilvl or gear but Class Tuning as I’ve mentioned.

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Good news, I addressed this.

Focusing on self improvement is going to have a bigger impact on your DPS than the balance changes Blizz may or may not make to any given spec.

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BM till death,I don’t play to impress anybody

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This is exactly what I’m scared of especially in 9.1 with feral getting a MS that opens up even more possible partners for them and they may not want to stick with jungle. I think Cupid could be the only other comp in 3s viable to glad levels and in 2s they will still be good with priest / Druid heals

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I am not sure why anyone thinks a spec should be lousy at DPS because it’s easy. Hell all specs in WoW are easy. The tops ones usually rely upon leveraging a single ability. Look at fire mage, all about a combustion cycle every minute to get stupid DPS and then be bored to death for 50 secs waiting on next window. Look how stupid OP Convoke is for certain specs, remove that and they are garbage.

What really pisses me off is Blizzard’s complete lack at actually balancing the specs, they added those auras and yet rarely ever use them. They are a bridge for them to use until they can actually tackle spec talents. Simply use them. If bottom 3 specs are 20% behind top 3 than nut up and buff those 3 specs aura by 10% and hopefully push them to middle of the pack.

I’d rather they STOP with multiple borrowed power systems each expac and instead actually spend that development time on the specs.

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funny how it is always BM mains who make this claim as a defense

sure this game is not hard, and yet there are miles between any spec and BM

and this wont change because the purpose of BM is to be the entry level spec for new or extremely casual players (see, every RP’er on my realm), it is ridiculous to demand that BM has competitive logs when I can play the spec effectively on an old Nokia

BM is in the perfect spot, all else that is needed is it to be gutted from pvp and buffs to surv/mm

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Says who? Blizz? I wish they notified me of that!

In all seriousness, the issue with BM is the talent selection as I mentioned earlier. Literally none of the active talents (anything that gives you extra abilities or cool downs to manage or even remotely change your rotation) are anywhere close to viable. All of the passive options are the best, and they also all happen to be options that don’t even change your gameplay at all.

So yeah, I think the spec is too simple. But that’s because Blizz hasn’t made it really viable to make it more complex if you want it to be. This also ends up limiting legendary choices and forces pretty much everyone into nearly the exact same playstyle.

Where as on my disc priest, I actually have multiple different options within the talents. I can take schism if I want more burst windows that aren’t tied to a passive like twist of fate. I could take halo in a raid environment if we need more raid healing, or purge the wicked if I want something more passive.

I think, what you would be better off arguing for rather than just making arguments about how it is simple and should always be bad, is arguing on how to improve the spec to let it be more complex.

Because you’re right, it is the simplest spec in the game IMO. I actually don’t think that is an issue. The issue is there is no variance in the talents that allows players to change that without drastically hurting their own performance.

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