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Scraps of the Death Star wound up on Endor. Palpatine was thrown down an Elevator Shaft not the Reactor despite what one may think so it would be easy for Palpatine to be intact though dead until his cultists revived him.
He learned Mominâs secret so he was able to bind his mind to his body when it was killed dead so all he would need is for his Cultists to revive him using their life force.
A fall from terminal velocity wouldnât cause the body to go splat ever so Palpatine would still be intact after hitting the ground of the Elevator Shaft aside from being dead.
Palpatine would never be stupid enough to have the Elevator Shaft go down directly into the Reactor. The Reactor doesnât even look like anything to fall into!
The problem is that none of this is explained at all, when it really should be. The Death Star exploded, completely and utterly. Look at the video where itâs destroyed, itâs entirely consumed by the ball of fire. Palpatine shouldnât have a corpse left in the first place, let alone one still in such a good state considering he was in the middle of a gigantic ball of fire the size of a moon.
We arenât given an answer. All he says is âIâve been dead beforeâ and âThe Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.â I dunno about you, but when the big bad is assumed to have been in the middle of a massive explosion but shows up with what essentially amounts to just a little bit of rot a couple decades later, a little more is needed for me not to stretch my willing suspension of disbelief to its absolute limits.
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In the middle!?! His Throne Room was in a Tower above the rest of the Death Star and Iâm quite certain the elevator shaft would only go down to the bottom of the tower since Sidious must be smart enough to not have a direct path anywhere near the reactor that Luke could use to blow up the Death Star when coming in!
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As to it surviving even parts of the Radar Dish survived!
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If the Death Starâs surface remained the tower and the part of the Death Star Surface it was attached to would remain as well along with the floor of the elevator shaft with dead Palpatine lying there long enough to start rotting before the Cultists revived him.
He got dropped from so high you couldnât even see him hit the ground. He couldâve been in a fall that wouldâve lasted for 30 minutes to an hour before hitting the ground, for all we know. Youâre making assumptions on where the shaft goes based on info no one has - maybe it didnât go deeper, maybe it did. Regardless, itâs a moot point, because the tower would still have been consumed by the explosion.
Again, look at the video of the DS2 blowing up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUjrqFVBgc8
Thatâs a gigantic, all-consuming ball of fire that vaporized everything that was the Death Star II. Admiral Ackbar makes the fleet move away from the Death Star so theyâre out of the blast radius. There shouldnât have been a surviving portion of the dish on Endor in the first place, let alone Palpatine making it out of there.
Again, even if Palpatine somehow survived this, how did he survive in such an almost-perfect way? After 30-something years since his fall, he just looks a bit rotten, and weâre expected to just roll with âlol it was dark magic, stop asking questions nowâ? You proposed ways that he couldâve survived, and if they had included one of them, we wouldnât be having this conversation at the moment. But they didnât. They stuffed Palpatine in there and donât even explain why and how.
They donât explain any of this, when they should, because everyone believes, and rightfully so, that his body was vaporized with the rest of the Death Star. To put it another way, even when Maul was revealed to have survived, 1: It wasnât on an exploding planet, and; 2: They explained both how he survived, the effect it had on him and we saw how his obsession with Obi-Wan went, up to the day he died. We saw Maulâs own journey about how we survived - weâre shown, not told that he found a way to survive.
Indeed. Terminal Velocity limits the speed one falls so the force no matter how high is always the same. Terminal Velocity in real life never makes the body go splat though would break every bone in the personâs center body caving in the Emperorâs back and the back of his skull in the process!
Heâs still on ground zero of a massive explosion!
Which is just as surprising as the Radar Dish surviving so suspension of disbelief is tied to that Radar Dish and the Emperorâs Tower surviving which it did.
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The Tower survived mostly intact(even the window glass was there and not melted) with part of the Radar Dish surviving as well which stretches disbelief.
Any part of the Death Star surviving would have any corpses survive naturally so it would be the locations surviving to begin with that would stretch disbelief since the Death Star clearly vaporized!
Ironically if you look at the SWTOR MMO it establishes that Sith have a pally bubble type ability where they can use raw force and hate to render themselves momentarily invulnerable.
Mind you I agree the movie defiantly needed a scene of Palpatineâs loyalists pulling his broken body from the wreckage and then used a Sith ritual where alot of them sacrificed their life force to try and resurrect him, and then imply ironically Sidiousâ purge of force sensitives meant their werenât people strong enough in the force to properly heal him through life draining.
It really doesnât matter anymore. Star Wars is in declining. Its not attracting new fans and toys arenât selling anymore. Last Jedi just killed it for lot fans.
Incidentally the only film to use actual Flashbacks rather than Force Visions was The Last Jedi⌠JJ Abrams really should have used that framing device.
I honestly did not think TLJ was bad when it came out. I liked the Holdo maneuver, and even wrote several long posts explaining why. The movie has some questionable ship designs, and laughable military tactics, but the action was visually enjoyable at least. In and of itself it was a pretty good movie, however⌠When you analyze it as the second movie in a trilogy things really start to fall apart.
Lets take a look at the empire strikes back. What happens in the movie? Not much of anything really, its just the empire chasing the falcon while luke trains in the force and then has to come to rescue them. Luke fights vader has a revelation about himself, gets injured then escapes, but Han is captured. The falcon then joins with the rebel fleet. We know that they need to rescue Han, confront Vader and we see that they have a fleet that can potentially be used in a big battle. Nothing that happens in RotJ needs complex explanations to make sense. The movie accomplished its purpose with near perfection.
The last Jedi tries to follow the same formula but for some reason decides that the entire ârebel allianceâ and their ships need to get slaughtered, and the âEmperorâ needed to die, and the wise old master needed to die too, after being a grumpy a$$hole whoâs âlessonsâ could have been found in fortune cookies.
The movie didnt accomplish its purpose because it had no idea what its purpose was supposed to be.
I dont even blame Johnston or JJ. The failure of these movies is wholly the fault of the leadership at lucasfilm and the story group. Itâs laughably obvious that there was no outline or plan for the trilogy, and its become apparent that their movie making process is to throw stuff that looks cool on screen then force the comic and novel writers explain away all the bulls@@t so that it actually fits into the universe.
I personally blame JJ, Johnston Kennedy and Disney. JJ doesnât bring something new to Star Wars both Ep 7 and 9 are just retell of A new Hope and Return of the Jedi. Johnson who made Luke a bad character and end up killing Luke and Snoke. I still believe he wanted to kill off Star Wars for his personal reason. âLet the past die, kill it if you have to.â Kennedy she had no respect towards George Lucasâ creation. She promised him that she will honor the characters and respect mythology of Star Wars. That was a big lie and she used this franchise to promoted Social Justice you do recall her T-shirt that said âForce is Femaleâ. SJW is a thermal cancer that kills franchise. This woman needs to go before this franchise is beyond saving. Disney only cares about is money and all they are doing is milking this franchise until it is dry.
I like it. Not as good as The Last Jedi, but better than The Force Awakens. My only complaint I hate about RoSW was Rey reveled to be Palatineâs granddaughter. (oops Spoiler!! But come on, do any of you really care?)
What made Rey like able was she was random force sensitive nobody, who was a love able tech dork that got swiped up in the mess of everything. But Noooo the butt hurt fanboys that cry âMary sueâ wasnât having any of that.
But overall it doesnât hurt my love for the character too much since in the end she adopts the Skywalker name with Leia and Lukeâs blessing which can happen without the need of being related to Palpatine to be involved.
I mean, they couldnât really do too much. Carrie Fisher wasnât available for reshoots for obvious reasons. My biggest issue with Rose was how people treated her actress on Social Media. That is simply unacceptable. The kiss, I could give a pass to. I mean Carrie Fisher kissed her brother passionately when you think about it.
The primary villain needed a little more work to incorporate, though admittedly the train wreck Rian Johnson created was hard to turn around. He was too busy trying to do the same thing Blizzard was with Sylvanas for a large part of BFA. The problems that faced the Last Jedi are in many ways echoed with the playerâs discontent in BFA. Too many random developments. Not enough time spent on the story / world-building.
Admiral Holdo âwomansplainingâ to us why she is awesome and Poe and the rest of us are all idiots for not grasping her clear genius was a big problem. Kathleen Kennedy acting like she did, also had a very chilling effect as it felt more like unnecessary injections of politics into a series that is supposed to transcend the petty stuff.
The whole random mission to the Casino Planet felt like a weird thing to add also, while the rest of the Rebel Fleet is being blown up in Episode VIII. At the same time, this disconnect and randomness does resemble quite heavily what happened with Sylvanas during BFA when you think of it. A few cutscenes of her talking to the Jailer (who was off screen) would of gone far to resolving the critiques people had of BFA.
The good news however is that Sylvanas is a much more fleshed out character, whoâs evil, vain and self-serving nature as the Banshee Queen has been well documented for a very, very long time. Her making a 4th quarter conversion to the light to redeem herself would befoul the character.
Thatâs where the similarities between Holdo and Sylvanas end. Unlike Sylvanas who has masses of backstory, Admiral Holdo was a character that had no background unless you read the books, and who had a close friendship with Leia that was never built upon.
It was suddenly there. And I find it a little⌠surprising that in 50,000 years+ of Hyperspace Travel, no one ever considered the âHoldoâ Manuever in a space battle. Surprising.
What made A New Hope so good was the allusions and character building bits. Anakin was never really a known till Episode IV. We only had bits from others who knew him to go off. Obi Wan said âHe was a great pilot, a great Jedi and a friend.â
Then we have Beru and Owenâs convoy where she goes âHeâs too much like his father.â and Owen goes: âThatâs what Iâm afraid of.â It isnât till Episode V when you get what all this meant.
None of that was present in the new Trilogy. It would of been cool if Leia had a conversation with Han to the tune of. ââŚSnoke. Do you think he knows?â âWhat?â âAbout⌠her.â âThank the Force he doesnât, eh?â
A few people waxing about how powerful Palpatine was, and his strength would of been another good thing. To the Last Jediâs credit they did this to a minor degree with Luke, but they could of made it better by dropping Ben Solo from the phrase.
It could of been a call back to Yodaâs warning that he not underestimate the Emperor. âIâve seen this raw strength in the Force only once before. It didnât scare me enough then. It does now .â
Logical, because the last time? Luke threw his saber away. He underestimated Palpatine, and his father was the one who had to save him as a consequence; at the cost of his own life.
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Aside from the opening crawl of âThe Dead Speak!â which seemed a little weak, I feel like if Palpatine had become a little stronger, drawn his Lightsaber for a while and weâd had a redux of the âBattle of Heroesâ from Revenge of the Sith, it would of been better. More seeding of Snoke and Palpatines connections would have been a very good thing as well. It wasnât explained clearly and the movie suffered for it.
I mean given the tech wizardry they pulled with Ian McDarmid before in Episode III it would of been fitting. I would of also paid homage to the Darth Zannah / Bane fight and had a segment of the battle occur in Reyâs soul where Palpatine is trying to claim her body.
But then again? I wasnât directing and one must take what was offered. I feel like Mark Hamillâs words sum it up well. âItâs only a movie. If you think youâre going to go in a movie to recapture your childhood youâre setting yourself up for disappointmentâ
We can talk about the contempt that the professional critics have for the movie, we can talk about the massive amounts of virtue signalling that sank the Last Jedi, but unless you can discuss it while being courteous of opinions that donât align with your own, there is nothing to discuss.
That was the real issue fans had with Episode VIII. Hollywood told them what they should like, it ran counter to the concept of Star Wars, and then Hollywood lashed out instead of realizing their error.
On the flip side, some fans in turn also behaved horrifically by attacking the actors (like Kelly Marie Tran) rather than the real culprits like Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson who turned Star Wars into their personal soap-box.
Saying the Force is Female, is just as bad as saying the Force is Male. The ultimate point here is that such petty things have no place in a space-opera setting that is ultimately about peopleâs better natureâs ultimately prevailing. By doing all of this, I feel like Hollywood tried to turn Star Wars into something it was not; and people got really sick of it really quickly. As I said before, this is series that is supposed to transcend the petty stuff.
If Rian Johnson directs another trilogy, I think itâll do poorly. Heâs gained a reputation as âthe guy that killed Luke Skywalkerâ, because of how poorly they utilized Luke. Now if Luke was acting this way to Rey specifically due to her heritage or due to something that Snoke had done with Ben? I think that would of been more understandable.
But Luke choosing to drop everything and run to an ancient world feels very, very contrived and does not align well with his prior portrayals, whereas games like Jedi Outcast, and Jedi Academy showcase the character the EU built beautifully. That in turn is why people were like âHuh?â
Of course it didnât much help that Disney just dismissed all that EU material. Even the House of Mouse couldnât come up with something more befitting of the story, so I always have felt their efforts were a major uphill climb to begin with. This is also why I can give J.J. a pass. Kennedy and Johnson? Not so much.
I feel Episode IX has a poetic note to it. The Last Jedi is a Palpatine who rejected her familyâs legacy of evil, and became a Skywalker by choosing a new destiny. Thatâs a ironic but completely Star Wars way of the Force âbalancingâ out the equation, and that was what made it a good series. I for one look forward to seeing more of Daisy Ridleyâs Rey character, as well as Poe and Finn.
Other than Snoke dying, thatâs still rehashing empire. I mean they stuck the planetary battle at the end of the movie instead of the beginning like Hoth was. And how was luke not similar to Yoda but without being voiced by Miss Piggy? It was empire rehashed. Lando gets replaced with the thief guy in the casino as the scoundrel who backstabs them, and so on. Empire was the rebels and protagonists failing but surviving to fight in Jedi.
Thatâs exactly what Iâm trying to say, TLJ is just a sloppy rehash of empire that fails completely to accomplish what empire did.
shrug Eh, dunno, seemed to be a slightly different path to get to the same end. Itâs the middle movie where the victory from the first got countered by a comeback that needs to be overcome in the last movie. Seemed to do perfectly fine at that.
I have seen it and it wasnât that bad. Ironic now all the spoilers have stopped after I saw it. It was lucky that the only spoiler I came across was Rei dies, and Chewbacca dies, but it was only temporary for Rei and Chewbacca didnât die.
Anyway my feedback for the movie is, for a moment I thought the Empire was going to win, and all the good guys were going to lose. Typically with movies you just assume the heroes are going to win against impossible odds, but this time for a brief moment, I actually thought they were going to give us a dark endingâŚ
Okay so now that garbage is out the way, if they ever make an episode 10, can we not do New Hope 3.0 and can we actually do a New Republic story line?? Like we wanted the first time?? Ty.
In the end. The only review that is important for each person is himself. These last few years I have seen a lot of reviews on movies that are so bad that when I was able to watch those movies I was very surprised to find thay my experience was the opposite. If you like a certain genre, title or character, the best way is to judge for yourself. I think people giving too much power to these critics is what is spawning all these negativity in movies and tv nowadays. These critics emboldened by their ability to influence viewers are getting more extremes in their review for more leverage in asking for money. Really sad.
Solo: The Star Wars Story was criticized so badly that even I admittedly did not watch it immediately. However when I was able to watch it, I found out it is actually decent and now sad there will not be a sequel.