Looking for tips and advice. I dropped 250 CR in SS today. I spent nearly every round I lost peeling for healers who didn’t understand their class and/or spec. The other DPS spent nearly every round I lost chasing after whichever opponent they thought was most vulnerable.
What I am doing wrong? What are my teams doing wrong? What are strategies that work best for teams with healers with much lower CR?
I prefer that my team focus on the strongest DPS opponent in these cases, because they are the most problematic for weak healers. That preference is usually ignored by my DPS teammate.
Pretty much what others said, the only real way to help a weak healer is link them guides but that is taken as an insult and they won’t watch them. So your best bet is to just 3-3.
We reached an impasse because your unwillingness to discuss SS strategy is predicated entirely on me admitting to something that is a) not a truthful representation of my recent gameplay and even more importantly b) pedantic and totally irrelevant to winning or otherwise improving. Thanks for your time, but it seems you don’t have anything to offer anyways.
Sounds like you could improve vastly by actually paying attention to the screen. Lol You don’t ever play 4-5 rounds with the same healer in a single RSS.
If you’re too stubborn to acknowledge the healer rotation, why would he waste his time trying to help you on other information you’ll be too stubborn to accept as well?
The arena forums are a great place to ask for help from… right up until you try to die on a hill about something that’s just demonstrably false. Then it’s a great place for scorn and ridicule - and rightfully so.
I have literally asked for advice and tips on strategy. Multiple times. It’s terribly cynical to prematurely assume that someone who comes on here and admits they want help because they may be doing something wrong is at the same time unwilling to accept the help they just asked for. I’m not “dying” on any hill - I’m asking for advice and receiving responses that are fixated on something immaterial because it makes those people feel better and not because they want to answer. And that’s when I ask again about strategy and the cycle repeats.
You wasted your time typing your response out. You even posted your advice believing that I’m too stubborn to accept advice. This is silly. I’m here to discuss tactics and strategy, not niggle over something irrelevant and argue with other players about whether I’m actually ready to read about PvP tactics. If you don’t have anything in that vein to share, then you’re wasting everyone’s time - mine, yours and anyone who reads this thread for its stated purpose - and you’re better off leaving. Or are these forums 95% nonsense and Reddit is the better choice.
It does seem I might have been a bit too brash in assuming that you wouldn’t take advice.
There’s a delicate balance on when to peel for healers. If peeling costs you all your pressure to do so, it likely isn’t worth doing. I’d download the add-on OmniCD, it lets you see what cooldowns your team mates have, and will likely give you a more accurate picture on when you might consider pealing for your healer (IE when all his CDs are burned). Otherwise it’s just about spotting the squishiest target and making that person’s life absolutely miserable every game you play against them. Never underestimate a random hard swap to the enemy healer either, sometimes you can catch them off guard and land a kill that way, other times it puts them behind and might allow you to execute your original target.
The notion of focusing the highest DPS is hypothetically a good idea. Practicality wise though, if they’re a tanky class or have a full immune, it’s generally just better to outzug their damage to the squishy target on the team. I’d say more or less the target itself doesn’t matter, as long as both you and your teammate are on the same person. If you see your partner attacking someone you didn’t call out for, just say “w/e” and swap to it with him. You could potentially get value out of training down a healer as a warrior while your partner sits something else, but it’s likely better to just try scoring the gib kill.
You’re 500 games in at 1100 rating making a post about bad healers, while maintaining that you keep getting stuck with the same bad healer 4-5 rounds in some of your matches, you’ve been abrasive in all of your responses, and now you’re developing some weird victim complex.
So i havnt had time to ss in a hot minute but my goal is to always 3-3. This is the assumption that there is 1 player that is the weakest and will get trained every round while also assuming you are not the weakest player.
When the weakest player is established and on your team, you know they are getting trained. So your choices is to try and kill the enemy faster than they kill your player or help your player survive. Ide sau its a combo of first peeling during the opening go and help your weak player survive then go full go on their weakest and and try to get a win before cds come back up.
As a war you would want to learn what is the easiest thing for you to kill. For example, as mm hunter leather and cloth armor targets drop easy outside of defenses so i save my go till they use their defenses otherwise its a waste. I also use hard cc, kicks and silence on healer to create pressure while using soft cc on everything else to help create space for me and my team.
Just keep in mind there will always be that one player.
Thanks so much for this! I really appreciate you taking the time to add all those details and specifics. You have no idea how much you made my day by sharing. Can’t wait to try your tips out tonight.
Actually, this makes sense and you may be right. The last several times I queued, both healers were in the 0-500 CR range. It was really chaotic.
Around that rating you are going to get placement matches. So new healers. Which means they are also figuring out their class. (Youll still get bad healer games either way)
Reddit is better, less trolls lol.
Anyway. Disc doesn’t have much peel or CC compared to other healers (dominate mind still bugged lol). They also dont have healing throughput thats very good. Its all about mitigation.
Essentially disc is more prone to CC. If by peeling you mean you are sitting on top of your heals attacking melee you are pulling your healer into more cleave. Not what you want. Ideally you want to CC healer, force them to use bigger defensive early or force them to hold. If you can get them to hold dome for example it wont be up again once dapening hits. You can also try to force the dps out of dome.
Better than average Disc know to leverage those CDs early so they can have a few if the round goes long. But, if you can manage to CC them once those early cds go out. Thats the time to surge the weakest DPS. Be ready for disc hot swap and entire health bar with your cc and youll win those matches.
The swap on disc is typically predictable and healing to bring themselves back up they wont be able to heal/shield another ally fast enough coming out of CC.
When I play disc, I typically wait to bait a DPS out of LOS on their healer, and drop dome on myself or pain mitigation early in lower ranks. Most, people just let the CDs fly early. If that doesn’t work, and im losing or going 3-3 I push in like a caster DPS on the other healer. (Lower ranks). Basically cause them to panic.
As a warrior you should be able to identify the weakest link of the 6 by the 2nd or 3rd round. If its a healer use them as cleave bait when they are on your team.
Put in a ticket with Blizzard as you are the first person that this has ever happened to. You have a better chance of having conjoined twins than getting the same healer for 4 rounds in a single solo shuffle round robin.