[Spoilers] Shadowlands Alpha Thread

This is true, but there are already no stakes in the faction conflict, because neither side ever gets anywhere and the aggressors never face real consequences from their victims. The story has nothing to lose in this area.

This (along with the example you gave of Calia and the Blood Elves not retaliating against worgen attacks on the Forsaken) could be easily solved by ensuring that any groups that make these attacks are not discernibly associated with Alliance or Horde authority.

If the Scarlet Crusade attacked a Forsaken town, the Horde would not retaliate against the Alliance for it. The same could be true for any given handful of “Feral Worgen,” “rogue Kaldorei,” or “Banshee loyalist fugitives” who aren’t being obviously supplied by their racial faction and are disavowed by said faction’s leadership.

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Again, this just sort of removes the stakes from the faction conflict, which is not something that would be good with the story as it currently stands.

Like, if we were to do this, I’d want to see the Alliance actively back them as a sort of loophole to avoid association, but it inevitably results in them getting exposed for doing so and they begin sliding down the slippery slope of zeal until it finally comes to a head with violent Internal conflict. Need to keep in mind, not having given players a pay off previously is no excuse for not giving them one down the line.

What stakes do you think exist in the faction conflict right now?

Actions taken by either side in the faction conflict have never had any real effects. No atrocities have ever incurred substantial retaliation. No witless tactical decision has ever hindered the war effort past a single battle. No loss of territory or forces has ever made it discernibly difficult for that faction to show up at the next engagement and do it all over again. Even when we’re told that a race has been pushed to the brink of extinction, they will still have an army the next time the plot requires one.

There can be no stakes in a narrative when the things that happen in that narrative don’t matter.

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“Next we’ll be taking up farmers”
“Let’s send folks on a suicide mission”
“Glad the wars over, the soldiers can rest”
“We goin’ to the afterlife boys!”

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how can you say there are no stakes when the lives of unforgettable characters like Brynja the Val’kyr are on the line

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On Calia…

I called what her future role was the minute Derek Proudmoore started hanging out with her.

One does not create “New Flavor” Sylvanas Windrunner and Nathanos Blightcaller without reason.

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New Ashbringer model for Alexandros

No explanation why he has the Ashbringer in SLs though.

I think we’re probably meant to assume it’s some kind of like…spirit weapon manifestation of his living self, because otherwise, isn’t the Ashbringer just some like, hunk of metal now?

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Well it was often speculated that the Ashbringer was made with a Naaru heart right? So, maybe? Maybe when it was purified, ‘it died’ and it’s new form was sent to the SLs? That doesn’t really make sense though, so…

:woman_shrugging:

I view it more as the sword literally became part of his identity, so in the afterlife he gets a copy of sorts. Like how Kael’thas still has those orbs around him, just deadified to look like orbs of blood.

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Whoa whoa wait, are you saying that you take you clothes with you when you die?

Those are also equipment if I remember right. So I guess it’s consistent? I can’t remember what they are though or what they do.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Verdant_Sphere

Obviously, wiki at your peril but the equipment idea seems about right. And not necessarily the clothes you wore when you die, but things that made your name. For instance, my vulpera monk wears a certain hat all the time. The hat is essentially synonymous with his identity. Going by what we’ve seen with the Ashbringer and Verdant Spheres, when he dies his hat has a chance to be seen with him (or an echo of his hat, at least).

EDIT: I should mention the Kyrians seem to be all about forgetting your past self or something to that effect, so they wouldn’t be so lucky.

Because it’s cool. I fully expect other Artifact Weapons to turn up again, so long as it’s neat.

I’m not even being snarky here, this is a company that retconned the lore it released in its DEFINITIVE LORE TOMES before aforementioned tomes of lore even hit store shelves. If Blizzard wants to say Artifact Weapons weren’t actually depowered to save Azeroth, then Artifact Weapons weren’t actually depowered to save Azeroth.

That or whoever modeled Alexandros and Ashbringer forgot - and his editors and team also forgot - that the Ashbringer was an Artifact Weapon.

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SL is currently shaping up to be a expansion of Nostalgia, but also with the level of content that -should- have been put into WoD.

How were we not expecting a type of Ashbringer to appear?

That said, so long as it’s just dressing on an otherwise good expac with a solid core, most people will be happy.

This is like when they gave Khadgar Atiesh despite it belonging to Medan a character who is not retconned but who is just too embarrassing to show up in the lore

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TFW, he fished it up in a SL river.

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Do not speak that name!

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Better or worse than Shadow Priests being so canonically irresponsible that they accidentally unleashed the Gift of N’Zoth because they apparently just threw Xal’atath away after draining its power?

Potential hot take? (I dunno I don’t know the consensus anymore)

Medan is far and wide less insufferable than Nathanos

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Med’an has one very positive characteristic: he is extremely easy to ignore. Nathanos can’t boast that

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