He used to. Should never have left the Plaguelands, that one shouldn’t.
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Gunna disagree slightly here.
Me’Dan is one of my least favorite characters. I read the comics when I was younger, and it literally was one of the worst things ever.
This sums up his story greatly (at least with my memory of the comics).
Nathanos, as much as I dislike him as well, slowly reached his points. Always the haughty a-hole, with a slow power build and other such things we’re dealing with now (author self-insert or not aside). While it may have been handed to him by the story/Sylvanas/Danuser, it’s simply that as opposed to…well, the whole train.
I don’t particularly enjoy either character, but I like Me’Dan less and think the story would be the worse for wear if he still existed in it.
Medan was such a great character, I legit did not know they existed until this thread.
To each their own, Nathanos is one of the few characters I genuinely hate. I found Me’dan dumb but I didn’t hate him
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I’m like weeks behind on this thread from IRL whiplash, but this makes me super happy. I can live with the cooldown. I do wish arcane would get some love, and I wish Displacement wasn’t going away, but this is…not awful.
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Oh dude glad you’re ok. Was getting worried LOL, hope all is well!
I’m not feeling confident that every spec is going to get love after seeing those updates for Shadow Priests. I’m ok with CDs as well, since it just means that we’d have to manage them instead of stack them, but at the same time, stacking CDs means things go boom.
Last week aside, honestly doing fine. Just…lots of deaths in the family all at once, not very fun to talk about but a topic for another time.
Spriests are so weird I find. They’ve been more and more appealing to me for years but long time players of them hate the direction. It’s so weird, like a balancing act they can’t seem to get straight.
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Oh dude, really sorry to hear that.
On Shadow Priests, pretty much everyone I’ve talked with about SPriests vastly preferred the WoD version of it because it gave folks the best of both playstyles. ST nuker or a DoT Weaver. At this point, I would rather Void Form be a talent option in the same was Glad stance was.
Also, there is something about the Void Form rotation that just doesn’t feel fluid like the previous versions to me. It feels so clunky and unrewarding whereas the previous ones was like cutting through butter.
Also, I hate that they pushed the Void theme onto Shadow Priests. Shadow != Void, and it really miffs me that Blizzard is trying to push it as such.
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So someone posted this on Reddit and made me sad that this isn’t how the SL cinematic didn’t go down:
This makes me wish that Sylvannas thought she was the right-hand of the jailer on Azeroth, but it was actually Bolvar, corrupted and twisted since he became the Lich King. He could have found out the true nature of the shadowlands and perhaps had something against the arbiter. Idk I think it would have been a better twist to have Bolvar kick Sylv’s butt and talk about how she thought she was the only one empowered from the Jailer and the war. Would have been a better climax to all the storylines coming together atop icecrown again
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That would’ve been sweet. Beats her down, rips open the sky, flings her into Super Hell, declares war on the living.
Quick somebody re-write the expac.
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WRATH OF THE BOLVAR!!! 
unclear body
i’m not a huge fan of sylvanas’ story arc, but i’m actually pretty glad that bolvar didn’t end up evil
there’s something cool about the lich king being on the good guy side and i feel like there’s a 98% chance blizzard would’ve made him a discount arthas if they made him a bad guy, up to and including one (1) monologue per zone
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I overall agree, but at the same time I don’t get how we got the transition between Legion/BFA Bolvar to helpful SL Bolvar. Unless he was being aggressive toward outsiders strictly to keep them away from ICC and the Helm of Domination.
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See, I never got the sense that Bolvar was trying to keep people away. Pretty much all the Non-DK artifact questlines that brought you to Icecrown, Bolvar basically tells you “Sure, you can take it, but if you die trying to get it, you work for me.”
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I’m not gonna kill you, but like, I’m not going to NOT kill you, you know?
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Idk, dude was pretty hostile to Horde in that BFA Voljin quest.
This, tbh.
As someone who ICly actively opposes Bolvar, and left the Ebon Blade because of his decisions, (and had actually OOCly thought he was going evil, in Legion) I’m actually really keen to see Bolvar still being good… just in a Death Knight kinda way. I find it more interesting that way.
And I’m kinda looking forward to my character being wildly wrong about this. I mean she walked away from Acherus and tried to host a big rally and encourage everyone to band together and destroy the Scourge.
#sorrybolvs
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In my opinion, regardless of whether he’s helping us in Shadowlands or not, Bolvar is evil – or at least was, if they decide to say that the Helm of Domination was influencing his behavior.
Someone who attacks allies in the middle of a war because their lives and autonomy are less important than his self-empowering plans is not a good person. Someone who controls every dangerous being in Icecrown, but refuses to prevent them from murdering people who come to take artifacts that he’s not using in order to fight the same enemy he claims to want to defeat, is not a good person. I don’t really care what his reasoning is, or whether the narrative tries to pretend that those actions were somehow “necessary.”
Whether or not he happens to have a common goal with us in Shadowlands, I don’t believe he’s on our side in the sense of actually caring about Azeroth, or the people who live there, in any context other than being able to use them for his own purposes.
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Small thing about Bolvar/Shadowlands that’s bugged me since Wrath - I don’t buy that the scourge is more dangerous without a dominating will, or otherwise what was the point for the Legion to make the Lich King in the first place?
Honestly I feel like not having an intelligent military commander directing their mindless swarms would make them less of a threat. I can buy the role as someone who just makes sure they never leave Northrend, but, like, that’s it. They still want to kill everything, they’ll just be less efficient.
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I completely agree.
One thing I could imagine being the case, if we ignore the fact that this isn’t the explanation we actually got, is that a Lich King was necessary not to control the Scourge, but to prevent the occurrence of exactly what happened in the Shadowlands cinematic. If, say, the Helm of Domination needs to be attached to someone’s soul in order to “survive,” and its “death” would cause a hole in the sky that leads into the afterlife, then the “There must always be a Lich King” line would make more sense to me.
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