Correction. The only decent race the Horde has is the Tauren. And only the Highmountain variety, at that. The ones that (for the most part) are chilling on their mountain, ignoring (and being ignored by) all this mess.
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Well I was talking about visuals more, but yea the tauren are probably the most reasonable
Yea we can hope that this doesn’t happen because then the horde will get undead night elves
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The Kaldorei were trading with them up until Cata. The Horde decided they didn’t need to trade when they could just take what they needed.
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Indeed. And lets presume that was the rationale- if they weren’t part of the Alliance, that would have just made that conclusion all the easier for the belligerents within the Horde to reach.
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I personally don’t see why we couldn’t have undead in the alliance and have them quietly forget night elf undead ever existed as it’s such a stupid concept nobody likes. They will never come up with a satisfying justification because they refuse to say it’s mind control and anything else is utterly moronic.
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Pretty sure it was Varian that decided that they didn’t need to trade after that Undercity fiasco.
EDIT: As for the OPs suggestion:
- If you expected Sylvanas to die permanently in BfA, when the story has been bending over backwards to let her accomplish what she wishes to accomplish … not sure what to tell you? At most, we’ll get her extra life.
- Sylvanas SURVIVING (which IS the only leak we can believe is true, since a dev leaked it accidentally) does not mean she will remain part of the Horde. I also doubt we’re kicking her out, she’ll probably bail on her own volition.
- You better thank your lucky stars that the Rebellion is kicking off in full gear with a suggestion that the NEs should go-it solo. No way the NEs wouldn’t get wiped out if the Alliance (who got into this war due to Teldrassil) pulled out, leaving the remaining Kaldorei to face the Horde alone. Perhaps that’s Saurfang’s redemption then? Splitting the Horde focus enough to let the Kaldorei do something SO suicidal with their current condition.
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I’d take that with just a few pinches of salt. Blizzard has said a lot of tripe over the years, and willing to bet more than a few devs have thrown out flat out lies. Can’t forget the “Mystery of the Teldrassil Arson”.
See, this right here was perhaps the dumber ideas Blizzard could have had. That kind of thing could work on an out an out villain, to show what a threat to everyone they are, but a Racial leader and then faction leader? That isn’t even touching on how now death isn’t nearly as heavy, cause they will just get right back up and be even more cautious.
See the issue with later DBZ; Big bad shows up to kills everyone and succeeds, use magic orbs to bring them all back. Hell, even killing the one responsible for them existing just means you got to go to another planet and use the ones there instead.
Finally u returned to ur sense. Yes, the human boy will forge a peace with the horde no matter if the kaldorei ill have their vengeance or not.
Yes, the humans will have the final word about whats the next move of Alliance. Thats the true i am telling for a while. The humans in WOW dont really care about kaldorei, they will do what is best for them. We just need to pay attention in the words of Jaina, Anduin and Genn they have individualized the Horde as being just Sylvie, simple because 2 orcs , a tauren and a troll doesn’t like Sylvie methods.
This is the problem of this narrative, its the same bull… to call Hitler as the main perpetror of Germany genocidies in WWII. They are forcing this simplistic narrative because they know that the majority of the fans will embrace it because people dont recognize themselves in the actions of the Horde. But it ill happen as long as the fanbase dont unite and call for fundamentally changes in the narrative. My opinion about it is obvious, kaldorei should leave the Alliance and forge a new future for them. They have a long track of being punch bags of the Horde and in the end humans ill negotiate a peace with the Horde without take kaldorei problems as a question.
Things would change dramatically if Illidan have a return, hes the only man in the kaldorei society with the will power to revenge the kaldorei, Tyrande and Malfurion are just two morons who have no idea about impose their views and Anduin will probabil ignore them.
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I think its fascinating how much people just assume that the Kaldorei are in enough of a position of power to do anything you are suggesting. Interesting the type of Power Fantasy the Kaldorei expect for their race, that they should be portrayed as more powerful than the entire Horde combined (even with their infrastructure and numbers decimated) … without the Alliance.
“Well, Blizzard should just let them act as aggressive as they were in WC3, and they should leave the Alliance” … because that lack of aggression somehow can make up the difference of losing a world power backing them… Bluntly, if the CURRENT Horde was allowed to field ALL of its assets its gained since WC3 … they should be able to CRUSH the CURRENT Kaldorei if they stood alone.
Hell … the CURRENT Horde is now fielding BREAKERS for goodness sake. This is a multi-species group deliberately developed by a Titan to be able to fight (and destroy) even the most hostile Nature based forces. If Ogres; Ogron; and Gronn can fight Botani on equal footing, how do you expect the NEs to fair against not JUST them (but also ALL of the other Horde races on Kalimdor)?
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Dude i think u aren’t aware of my previously posts, I totally agree with you. No i don’t think the kaldorei have the power to face the full might of the Horde. My opinion is kite the opposite of that. I think they just should leave Kalimdor for good and make their new land in Val’sharah and Azsuna. Yes, i know the Horde would have stomped the kaldorei long ago if was not for their allegiance to humans.
Im just being rational here and telling people that , no the humans ill not care about kaldorei if they have to forge a peace with the Horde, this never happened before and it ill not happen now. BTW i play as a mag’har, and i love the race, i know if they have means to use their full power tech the kaldorei wouldn’t have a chance agaisn’t them.
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LOL, fair enough. Sorry about that, only read that one post I responded to.
The Night Elves as currently written, yes. The Horde isn’t the only side that’s not giving their all. But if you give the Horde all their fancy new toys, then you have to give them back to the Night Elves as well. Night Elves with full access to their full roster of allies, deities, and magic becomes a much more fair fight. Especially if Malfurion and the Night Warrior weren’t constrained by the Horde’s plot armor.
To be fair, even with the numbers they had on Draenor (much less a couple refugees crammed through a portal), it’s not like the Breakers curbstomped the Primals. Even Grond got taken down in the end, and his “children” had to selfdestruct to kill the last sporemound. Until they made another, which took a surprise Arakkoa doomsday weapon to take out. And they still managed to contest large swathes of Gorgrond.
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Much like the other campaigns, this isn’t the end of the current threat (take the divine bell and the breaker artifact stories) so it’s likely a conclusion on Derek’s story.
Kaldorei never had naval power, if u give the mag’har their full might power so everyone in Azeroth would just leave the shores because no naval force can make a stand agaisnt the Iron Navy. They have the most powerful navy in this game by far. Those ship of line used by kul’tirans are nothing agaisnt the battleship used by the mag’har, and they have also carriers and amphibious ships and submarines. They can just stomp the Kaldorei easily using it.
My question to you is … the Furbolgs and Moonkin I’ll give you; but has there ever been anything in lore to suggest that the Wild Gods would get involved in international conflicts between MORTAL races before? They came into deal with the Legion, that I buy. They got involved in the battle against the Firelands on Hyjal, also buy. They got invested in the battle against the Nightmare, again as beings of the Emerald Dream … I totally understand their involvement there.
However, as far as I’m aware (while the NEs in the area were CERTAINLY in conflict with the Warsong due to their harvesting of sacred trees) … didn’t Cenarius ONLY get involved because of his faulty interpretation that the Orcs were a precursor to another Legion invasion (due to him sensing Fel Taint in their blood)? I know very few survived the WotA in the material world, but did ANY of them get involved in things like: The War of the Satyr; the War of the Shifting Sands; or even interfering against the purge of the Tauren (by Cenarius’ grand-kids no less)?
I’m not arguing against the idea that these entities wouldn’t be IMMENSELY potent forces in favor of the NEs; but WOULD they intervene in such an event (JUST the conflict between two mortal races, even if one of them was the Kaldorei)?
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If they were allowed to think logically, and not be tucked away on the Vindicaar, I’d say yes.
A political conglomeration made up of mostly ex-Legion lackeys is gunning to wipe your most fervent worshippers and ancient allies off the map, while simultaneously blighting, burning, polluting, and otherwise destroying the land that you, as a Nature deity, are tied to and claim to care about?
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Because they’ll all get resurrected at the end.
If u use nature deity agaisnt orcs they will soon take the rote of using the Mannoroth blood again. Thats what happens when you push orcs into the corner.
Hmm … well some of that “Blighting” and “Burning” seems to be in response to dealing with the Kaldorei guerrilla forces in the area. Its great to say that Tree’s and Sprites are sacred and its a sin to destroy them; until that very same Elf screaming that attempts to slaughter you with that same Tree or Sprite. The only real way to fight the NEs is to deny them access to their most potent weapons.
However, I often DO wonder about the Wild Gods relation to Azeroth. They stem from the Emerald Dream, a vision of what the world could be without the influence of Sentient Races. A vision that they believe, eventually, may return again. Wouldn’t that suggest that such a vision of a “World Without Sentient Races” would also include a lack of the Kaldorei as well (no matter of un-invasive they happen to be to the natural world)? I dunno?
I think that lore might be slightly outdated. Most Wild Gods now seem to be Freya’s pet collection, that she tied to the Dream herself.
Though, there are still outliers. Like Aessina, and whatever relation she has with Night Elven wisps. And what relation those wisps might have with the afterlife and the Night Warrior. And presumably similar mysteries around Bwonsamdi.
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