It originates from Frozen Throne, not Rise of the Lich King.
Are you still upset that I stole Jaina from you, Kael?
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What’s interesting is that all of these visions are extracted from Kael’s memory.
Sins:
- Greed = wanted to accumulate more power in Netherstorm
- Jealousy = could be Jaina picking Arthas (assuming they keep that canon)
- Arrogance = the presumption he could use the Burning Legion
“Correct answer” is arrogance.
what he did to his people (“correct answer” is all three):
- Abandonment = left his people behind
- Betrayal = sided with KJ
- Corrupt = fel crystal draining
But who he surrenered his will to is curious., The correct answer is KJ, but he encountered Arthas over the course of his life.
So from what memory of Kae’thas is the Accuser extracting a vision of Yogg-Saron?
I’m pretty sure the Jealousy and Greed are supposed to be incorrect to begin with, sicne those weren’t what drove Kael to evil.
Golden did not invent the crush. WCIII TFT mentioned it, and it was mentioned again in Road to Damnation that was released when Naxxarmas was released in vanilla WOW.
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I like it. I’m feeling pretty confident we’re going to get the Kael’thas redemption treatment a la Illidan in Legion.
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Lady Ouix’Ara says that her master, Kel’Thuzad is allied with the “Banished One.” I wonder who that might be. The Jailer perhaps? Though Kel’Thuzad was fiercely loyal to Lich King and in turn Arthas. Doesn’t really seem to be the one form new loyalties, but who knows.
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Perhaps it’s meant to be nod his alliance with the Naga, who were working under the Old Gods?
What if…Arthas is the Banished One? After all I haven’t heard of anyone one else calling the Jailer as such.
It’s the Jailer, this is already confirmed via the Winter Queen, who calls the Jailer the Banished One after the Primus tells her he’s in risk of escaping.
Oh that’d be interesting, making the Old Gods interested in supporting Illidan, even though the Old Gods were always supporting Kil’jaeden.
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I’ve heard Maladraxxus has Kel’Thuzad, too. And given that the page says Kel’Thuzad is in Maladraxxus, that seems like.
I’m mad that I’m always poised against my bro, though. Kel’Thuzad is cool. He should sign up with Bolvar, not get killed by lame kael’thas.
Uhhhh…. That’s Sin Anima not Blood… Sin Anima is Red.
Those who can’t atone go to the Maw by the hand of the Venthyr.
Souls that are consumed with Hatred/Stygia go to the Maw by the will of the Arbiter so that they may go boom without interruption killing any Mawsworn shaped from the Irredeemable(who as must be mentioned are sent to the Maw by the Venthyr).
As Arthas wasn’t as consumed with Hatred(he was remorseful asking his Father if it was over) as Sylvanas when he died he was probably sent to the Maw because the Arbiter could tell at a glance that he had committed so many crimes that Revendreth’s Venthyr wouldn’t redeem him…
Judging from how the Accuser was on the verge of sending Kael’thas straight into the Maw it is obvious that the Venthyr wouldn’t even attempt to redeem Arthas so naturally the Arbiter would just send him to the Maw due to knowing full well that the Venthyr would do so anyways!
Sylvanas was no where near as evil as Kael’thas(much less Arthas) was when she went to the Maw yet her Hatred seemed to be at an all time high and since Stygia made from the violent destruction of Souls in the Maw is supposed to be Hatred it seems quite obvious why she was sent to the Maw.
Blazing Stygia
Burning hatred coalesces as Blazing Stygia that mindlessly pace back and forth, unleashing their fiery fury upon hapless souls.
The funny thing is that Arthas’s Soul took on the appearance of Matthias Lehner who was the last sliver of Arthas’s Soul and Humanity which his Body willingly discarded(shoved into Frostmourne technically) which would easily explain why he might be found in the Plane of Torment according to Datamining…
The Plane of Torment isn’t a Zone but a Subzone of the Maw that we visit during the Shadowlands Starting Experience.
Arthas is as much a washout as Baine and not fit to be turned into a Mawsworn due to his huge guilt and regret! The unrepentant Souls are only tortured until they join the Jailer’s Armies while the Unredeemable Souls who regret their Crimes are just tortured in the Maw for Anima.
The Jailer only truly punishes Souls that are of no use to him(like Arthas and Baine). The other Souls are merely being tested of worthiness!
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Oh…didn’t know that.
The Old Gods were supportive since they believed that if Illidan succeeded in his mission against the Lich King that it would spark a new war on Azeroth.
Huh?
Dude seriously?!? Kael is going after Kel’thuzad? WoW That’s pretty good development on his character.
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Makes sense, though I must admit it is a bit disappointing to see a fan favorite like Kel’Thuzad turned into a minion and stepping stone on the path to the Jailer. I guess I can hope that he is handled well with the time we have with him.
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Actually Denathrius uses black colored anima when imbuing us with the Medallion of Dominion in the Leveling Questline, so not all “sin” is red!
Using “Blood” for shorthand, because Danuser in a interview from a few days ago said all “blood magic” from Azeroth “comes from” Revendreth.
`https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2020/07/17/how-warcraft-shadowlands-story-unfolds-and-why-its-not-all-guest-stars/#6a825add55d4
edit: you always try to correct me lol I know why I say the things I say dude
Kil’jaeden has a Fragment of Nightmare when we kill him.
Edit yes it was Archimonde no need to keep correcting cool thanks
I think Kel’thuzzad is going to betray the Jailer soon, I’m hoping he ends up a New Varimanthas for the Forsaken
As in… joining the Forsaken?
Kel’thuzad should not ever do that.
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Why not? Arthas is gone, Bolvar is nothing, Denathrius gave him a token of power but Denathrius dies, presumably he’s working with the Jailer but I don’t see him actually allied to him as Sylvanas is (let alone, ending up on the same side as her).
If Calia is being shoved down our throats whether or not any of us want it to happen, may as well get a Varimanthas-type character back in Kel’thuzzad. Plus he’s been trained in “True Necromancy” in Maldraxxus; not the off-brand Lich King stuff that results in a decaying being that eventually rots away.
Because he played a large role in the Forsaken becoming the Forsaken to begin with. He engineered the Plague that destroyed Lordaeron, turning him into a Lich was the reason Quel’thalas fell and their Sunwell was corrupted. He was loyal to the Lich King that tried to wipe out all life on Azeroth.
I cannot imagine the Forsaken and Blood Elves accepting him without it being a complete cop out or Out of Character moment.
Calia doesn’t compare to Kel’thuzad. Calia’s sudden return after years of being away can be seen in a bad way and you can question her undead state, but it utterly pales in comparasment to Kel’thuzad.
I 100% think the Forsaken ever accepting Kel’thuzad is many times worse than Calia.
I won’t back down, Kel’thuzad joining the Forsaken would be atrocious for the story.
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They accepted Varimanthas, who is also partially to blame for the whole Arthas-Plague-Undeath thing, and was also loyal to the Lich King for a hot minute, albeit sided with Sylvanas (at least superficially, I have my doubts given his weird comments in the Antorus that imply he knew about the Jailer).
Meh, rule of cool, they could def have a plot twist. Mind you don’t think this is happening, just an idea, given they gave him an unreasonably detailed model, and his phylactery is still on Azeroth.
Looking at Kel’thuzad’s history a little more deeply paints a somewhat more sympathetic view of the character. He was initially interested in Necromancy and cast out of Dalaran for it. But, the Lich King had always meant for this to happen. Kel’thuzad was brought to Ner’zhul, at which point, he was in over his head. Interestingly, Kel’thuzad seems to have been far more loyal to Arthas than Ner’zhul. He even referred to Arthas as his King, before Arthas became the Lich King (I imagine out of Arthas having been Prince of living Lordaeron, and then remaking Lordaeron in undeath).
I think the question needs to be explored as to what Kel’thuzad wants for a change. Even this stuff in Shadowlands makes it seem like he’s once more in over his head, forced to do something he might not necessarily agree with.
The idea of Kel’thuzad joining the Forsaken, on the surface, is abhorrent, but when you consider the possibilities it presents, it’s more enticing. At least, to me. For one thing, Kel’thuzad is a pretty major name, and a magical power house. He alone could probably solve the Forsaken’s population crisis now that Sylvanas and her Val’kyr are gone. He’d also be a Horde character able to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Alliance’s power house characters; Jaina, Anduin, Turalyon, Tyrande, Velen, etc…
Something that could be really neat would be to see Kel’thuzad recreate the Cult of the Damned, with a different twist. A cult for living humans who fear death and seek an escape. They can join it with the promise of being raised after their death. It’d be a potentially harmonious manner for the Forsaken to continue existing. We could probably get a lot more characters like Thomas Zelling from it. Likewise, it’d have great potential as a clandestine Horde order too, providing information from Alliance settlements and capitals. Even during peace times, everyone needs spies.
Well, you’re a Forsaken player/fan, or so I assume by your forum avatar. I think Kel’thuzad joining the Forsaken has some potential, but I don’t think potential should overshadow player immersion and interest.
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Was well aware of the presence of Blood Magic in Revendreth(having seen a Player use the Red variant of Sin Anima against a couple of Venthyr tossing out Blood Bolts) though hadn’t read about the Blood Magic originating from there. Very interesting…
As for the Black Sin Anima… I have already seen the Black Sin Elementals so I know full well of Black Sin Anima like I know of Red Sin Anima.
Revendreth is a place where Red Sin Anima, Black Sin Anima and Blood Anima are everywhere. Blood has a distinct appearance from the Red Sin Anima which looks more like an Energy while the Blood Anima looks more liquid.
Sorry no fragment of Nightmare from Kil’jaeden. Archimonde on the other hand…
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Shadow_of_the_Defiler
Cool thanks, got them mixed up.
Yup, so it makes sense to use “Blood Magic” as short hand for the Revendreth Anima.
I think the possible intent in the visual, when Denathrius is empowering you with the Medallion of Dominion (which rules over the other Medallions and gives the wearer a degree of control over all Venthyr) and Black Anima being produced, whereas the other 6 Medallions produce Normal Venthyr/Red Anima is supposed to be visual foreshadowing regarding the origin of the Medallions; i.e. that the 7 Medallions are rooted in the power of the Jailer, since the particle effect very clearly resembles the “Maw anima” in the art chart blizz showed a while back.