Agreed on that for sure!
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I don’t disagree with you on that but you just admit that it was the same for everyone. So i don’t see why you are arguing that night elf SHOULD have a win when no one other had it.
If you would be arguing for a win for every race including night elf than i would back you up but the way you are putting it is as if the night elf not having a win make them lower than other race who also dont have a win.
But it does. It just means she’ll have to do one or two good random things to get the redemption.
But you don’t build up and make us wait for the final showdown for 3 years just for Tyrande to defeat Tyrande yet again. That’s just disgusting.
Well yea. They still need to take away Darkshore at some point and kill off the remaining few Night Elf characters, then the race is entirely gone. Glorifying Sylvanas’ actions will also be a massive blow.
They said nothing of the like. They just said she won’t get a pass. You’ve made up the rest.
Again, Arthas being taken down was 6 years after he tore through Silvermoon. Buckle up, it’s a long ride!
This is all emotion here. They aren’t gonna kill off a playable race.
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Seem like you are confusing not happening with not updated.
The night elf win did happen in game. The zone have just not been updated to show it.
The same goes for nearly every enemy we beat since Vanilla who are still present in those zone. Every troll tribe that we defeated are still in those zone despite canon such as drakari tribe who is suppose to be instinct despite still being present in the non-updated zone.
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I think the in game races getting to fight over and for a brand new continent and a properly considered additional Old World update would be the best balance and bang for buck option.
I like the NE’s, I agree with you that no one race should pull ahead without reason.
However as I posted above, IF the Blizzard Twitter post didn’t exist, then where did the rumors start up from? I’m seriously asking, if their treatment created a presumption of such malice that’s bad.
What just seems like Blizzard isn’t willing to do is put story before gameplay in WoW.
If they did, I’m pretty sure the game would tighten up and become actually, ya know, followable? There’s no one story line from Vanilla to current, Shadowlands. If there were, I swear that alone would bring more sub’s to them than they care to consider.
No, I don’t think NE’s should become Blizzard’s new favorite to a vocal fandom. I think if blizzard were to consider the feedback, not rely exclusively on, and start to shape the races a little more with vision on their end and the occasionally useful player feedback that both can and will ONLY ADD to the race, that would help immensely.
Overall, a new continent to go fight over would largely fix these issues. I mean, maybe the fighting in the end is meaningless. Imagine PVP continent and eventually, even if fixed, races get to claim an entirely new zone! Or maybe if they can develop it well and fast enough, more than one!
Still, Blizzard isn’t inspired now like they were in Classic and with the never truly fully there story vision, we’ve gotten the jumbled mess that is the overall game lore since then.
I guess I just see an IP that, if meaningfully cared for, could rival the MCU in terms of overall profits and income. I just find Blizzard’s expansions missing out on SO MUCH potential!
And, it makes me sad. If they’d drop the “Epic do-over” and “Rule of Cool” and go with actual story and considered reasons why any given NPC or race does a thing, actually mentally GRASP why the Races act the way they wrote them…
NE’s alone would not be fun for their players, all races would be.
Gee, it’s like phasing could help this out.
I do get it also takes development time.
I like how night elf fans just inexplicably ignore the large population of night elves in Moonglade, Hyjal, Feralas, and Val’sharah. Even if Teldrassil had zero survivors, it would still be a less complete genocide than that of the High Elves, but I dont see them crying all day every day.
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I think it may have more to do with the non-playable WC3 NE’s some of us NE fans never got.
I realize something changed, however, why?
I do agree, Blizzard and their cringe-worthy writing sweeps of the pen are at best drastic, at times tragic. They don’t seem to get that sometimes it takes little more than a nudge.
At some point you guys are gonna have to let go of the fiction that a group of harderned warriors led by Tyrande were fully representative of night elven society.
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Well no, they said how her redemption is going to go.
But Arthas also didn’t get a redemption.
The writers will certainly try to.
I don’t see why.
Blizzard’s inability to translate into the game is the point of failure, not that they couldn’t keep it going.
Also, in WC3 we got Illidan and Malfurion, so the presentation of the females was not the sum total of the lore in there. We as players also saw Dryads, Walking Trees, and other somewhat subtle yet meaningful assistance to the playable race from the RTS game.
I realize the females are what most fixate on, and yet, that’s what made the race fun to see. I made a thread that the NE’s of WC3 were the single most unique version of elves since the ones written about by Tolkien. Outside of D&D, Nocturnal hybrid drow/wood elves is pretty interesting to me, and the culture as presented back then was different.
So don’t get me wrong, NE’s females as the main fighting force is what sold me, from WC3. So no, I don’t need to let go of it. I may have to, however there is no need.
They absolutely said nothing of the sort. They said she’s not getting a pass. It could mean anything from she loses the raid, to she becomes the Jailer, to anything. It might not be what you want. But she’s not getting a pass. She’s likely not getting permanent death either. The character sells too well.
But anything outside of what they actually said is assumption and conjecture. Not fact.
And neither has Sylvanas. Yet.
There’s still plenty of Nelves in game despite Teldrassil. Your race is just going through something difficult. If nothing bad happened to anyone in the story, it’d be boring.
I think WC III gave Belves an edge that makes them more interesting despite 90% being wiped out. I don’t think they hate Belves or hated Helves because of it.
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They stated that there are a lot of twists and turns to come, meaning Sylvanas will turn. Sylvanas might answer for her crimes by doing something completely irrelevant and stealing the spotlight again but not actually being brought to justice.
But she will be this patch, and this is why they’re removing Tyrande from the story after she loses to Sylvanas by making her sleep for a really long time.
Lore wise? No, a handful of refugees in Stormwind.
But Night Elves only suffer tragedies and bad things. Having one race lose always and every time, it gets boring too. You know that whenever a Night Elf is featured in the story, they will lose.
Because they planned giving them a resolution, but that was never the case for the Night Elves. They’re now dead and their zones are pretty much gone, besides Darkshore for now.
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Twists and turns being mentioned without saying what those are does not mean factually anything of what you mentioned. You are using more conjecture.
Have you ever heard of lost this battle but not the war? This is one patch of many that will stretch over two years. And even after that the story might not be over. Wait until it’s over, then make judgments. Right now everything you post is irrational.
Even lorewise there are more than are in Stormwind. Who is in Stormwind are who is left from Teldrassil but not all Nelves lived there.
Like they lost at the end of BFA? I’m sorry it’s not reflected in game yet, but that doesn’t mean lorewise they lost. You are playing the victim card too much.
The story does seem made up by the minute, but it might not be. It might just be bad. Because they plan expacs years ahead.
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Sadly quoted for truth.
Blizzard does not have a plan, and shoehorns, “rule of cool,” and “epic do-over” are their stated story mantras.
It very clearly refers to a redemption, that’s also why they showed Sylvanas have regrets. They made us think that Sylvanas is evil (which she is) and then through some stupid turn she’ll be friendly.
Well Night Elves lose every battle and every war.
They built up Tyrande for 3 years just to make her lose her final showdown with Sylvanas and then sleep for the rest of the patch to miss out of the redemption.
Night Elves lived in Teldrassil, Ashenvale and Darkshore. They were all wiped out there.
Yea? They had a peace treaty forced on them that let the Horde keep Ashenvale, how is that not losing?
Yea, and they planned long ago that they’d slowly take everything Night Elf related away from the game & story until there’s nothing left, and we’re close to the point where there’s nothing left.
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Nowhere in the link you provided does it do that.
Except they have not.
Moonglade, Hyjal, Feralas, and Val’sharah don’t exist to you?
Sure, whatever suits your victim complex.
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Why was the thread allowed by the mod??? It is clearly against the rule such as:
Creating Duplicate Threads
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- Creating threads about existing topics
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If a player is found to have participated in such actions, he/she will:
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OP created this thread in the story forum and duplicate it on the GD forum.
That thread was flagged a few hour ago and a mod still unlock it even if it clearly against the rules…
Meanwhile some people get ban just for being mass flagged…
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The Blood Elves were murdered en masse in the Third War, weren’t they? They only had about 10% of their population remaining if I can recall, and some of that population stayed on the Alliance with the Silver Covenant. We won our lands back, but our capital is still in ruins after 12+ years, Ghostlands is still dominated by undead and the withered, and Arthas wasn’t killed for almost two years past the introduction of Blood Elves as a playable race.
I’m sure the Night Elf storyline is going to be concluded in a way that is satisfactory, but patience is also key. Tyrande plays a very large role in the Ardenweald campaign and Ysera made a prominent appearance. The storyline is just beginning, really.